How many USCF national master are there?

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ashikuzzaman

I was thinking if we have a way to track USA produced how many USCF national masters so far. It will be easy to find how many GMs and IMs USA have produced. But I guess it won't be easy to find numbers of FMs, CMs, USCF national masters, life masters and senior life masters. But I am looking for the collective knowledge of chess.com community.

Out of them, how many are active chess players who hold NM title? Active is a relative term. By this we may think of people who have played the last competitive chess tournament less than a year ago. Or I am not sure, how otherwise you would define active? Any lights on it?

RoyLupez

Try this USCF Link:

The United States Chess Federation

ashikuzzaman

Thank you very much. From your link, I saw another link Players&Ratings -> State Top Rated Players By List which gives me answer to most of the questions I had.

Ronnee

I am unfussed about HOW MANY

Pleeeee se  tell me wHAT they earn

What are they paid if they win?  DOES ANYBODY know ?.

ashikuzzaman

Definitely just being a national master will not be good enough to earn a living n chess. I guess you have to be a grand master to do so. But some NMs do earn some money as tournament prizes or by coaching. I would think almost all if them have a day time job.

I am primarily interested about how many in this thread....

TheOldReb

Do  I count ?  Cool

jonesmurphy

Ashikuzzaman things will not always be as they are and have been. Events like Millionaire Chess will change the economics and earning potential down the food chain, I believe. People who are the equivalent of National Master in many sports and games make quite a decent living. They can also do so in chess if administrators take steps to connect the game to its fan base and monetize things like ad revenue from broadcasting events.

ashikuzzaman

Correct Jones. However, currently the state of chess is such that in most of the countries (or may be all) in the world, you can make a decent living by playing chess if you are a grand master. In some cases, I am sure even being grand master may not be good enough. But mostly and in USA, it should be sufficient.

JamieDelarosa
Estragon wrote:
Reb wrote:

Do  I count ?  

"Does Bottles count, Porgy?"

"Only to 10, Mudhead."

 

Porgy Tirebiter?

(He's a spy and a girl delighter!)

ashikuzzaman

back to the original post. I am thinking there have been so far active or inactive around 500 USCF National Masters. Any support ting ideas to prove this number wildly wrong or approximately correct?

ashikuzzaman
jonesmurphy wrote:

Ashikuzzaman things will not always be as they are and have been. Events like Millionaire Chess will change the economics and earning potential down the food chain, I believe. People who are the equivalent of National Master in many sports and games make quite a decent living. They can also do so in chess if administrators take steps to connect the game to its fan base and monetize things like ad revenue from broadcasting events.

Jones, I hope so too. But currently that's not the situation. Currently I believe you have to be a Grand Master to have a decent living. I see others are questioning even if all the grand masters are really guaranteed a decent living or not... 

A grand master in chess is a really big thing. Financially I dont know if everyone is solvant enough that they dont regret being an engineer or a doctor  what guarantees a decent living. But a GM gets the honor the I-wish-I-could-be-him from the others.

SocialPanda
jonesmurphy wrote:

Ashikuzzaman things will not always be as they are and have been. Events like Millionaire Chess will change the economics and earning potential down the food chain, I believe. People who are the equivalent of National Master in many sports and games make quite a decent living. They can also do so in chess if administrators take steps to connect the game to its fan base and monetize things like ad revenue from broadcasting events.

People who are the equivalent to National Master in other sports will be the equivalent to Amateurs.

In Portugal you can see NMs playing in the third division of the National Chess League.

Soccer players playing in the 3rd division are hardly professionals or are living entirely from soccer in many countries.

Jimmykay

Plenty of high-level amateur soccer players make a good living coaching, creating schools, etc.

Same in chess.

There are 2200 level-players running chess schools who make more that some GMs. There is little money in tournaments. A good business person can do very well.

EricFleet

There are 866 active masters in the United States, You can find this by going to the details on anyone rated 2200... there are a lot exactly at this number due to floors...

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?12877129

ashikuzzaman
EricFleet wrote:

There are 866 active masters in the United States, You can find this by going to the details on anyone rated 2200... there are a lot exactly at this number due to floors...

http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?12877129

Thank you EricFleet. Ues the overall ranking 866 tells how many are at National Masters level or above. But that includes Seior Masters, Fide Masters, Internal Masters, Grand Masters too. I was thinking how many players are there who can be identified as National Masters only and nothing else. That means if you are a FIDE Master, you are not going to say someone that you are a USCF National Master too. So in that sense, I am probably looking for the number of players who are roughly within the range of USCF 2200 to just below 2400.

EricFleet

SO, go find someone using the exact technique I just showed you that is 2400, then use subtraction.

Jimmykay
EricFleet wrote:

SO, go find someone using the exact technique I just showed you that is 2400, then use subtraction.

I think that he wants SOMEONE ELSE to do all the work. Don't you know anything about the "entitlement generation"?

EricFleet

This link makes it even easier

 

http://main.uschess.org/datapage/top-players2.php?state=ALL&limit=2399&maxcnt=700&players=M&rtgsys=R&current=C

ashikuzzaman

Thank you for the link EricFleet. Did you notice there are many players here who are rated above 2200 but still hold the Candidate Master title? Why is this so? Take as an example - http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?12441362

EricFleet
ashikuzzaman wrote:

Thank you for the link EricFleet. Did you notice there are many players here who are rated above 2200 but still hold the Candidate Master title? Why is this so? Take as an example - http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?12441362

In my opinion, the USCF titling system is confusing and the titles don't clearly indicate what has been earned. The rules have also changed on what consitutes a Candidate Master.

In the old system, I believe you had to have 300 games as a National Master. In the new system, it is based on Norms. 

Take a look at the person you cited and his Norm's page http://www.uschess.org/datapage/norms-list.php?12441362

Yet, I don't quite get why he hasn't earned Norm's with his more recent play...