How much Odds to play against a Super GM?

I've seen a strong candidate master play against Rybka with knight odds. He won convincingly.

As to the question: I have beaten some 2700+ players in blitz, but have never played any rated games against them. A match without any odds would have been fun and very instructive...Hmm, why not do it?!

Probably not. I doubt that he could beat Nona Gaprindashvili or Maia Chiburdanidze with Knights odds.

Look up a Morphy, Tal, Shirov, or Radjabov game  -- if they play the caro sure, but knowing they're down if they go for unsound but complicated sacrifices I'm not sure I could find the best defense :)

Hmm, maybe mess with the contempt value?  Rybka knows it's losing, so would just open solidly and keep playing solid moves -- Kasparov would know he's losing so would open aggressively and throw in some unsound but complicated moves.

I'd be mortified if I lost to anyone with piece odds. I'd feel much less secure with 3 pawn odds, though.

I would rather have 3 pawn odd rather then bishop/knight

If i was black i would remove his e f and g pawn.

That'd be an interesting poll, which 3 pawns would you remove for this kind of odds.  I like the 3 you said, how about the d, f, and g pawns.

a couple of years ago Kasparov played a charity match against Terence Chapman (~2100 FIDE) with the odds of 2 pawns (different pawns every game)  Chapman knew beforehand which pawns would be removed and in which games.

Kasparov won 2½-1½

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Hehe, a queen and 4 pawns :)

I searched a bit in net but couldnt find anywhere saying how much rating difference is a pawn odd (say the d or e pawn) worth roughly? 50 Elo points? 100?

In other words, I am rated 1950-2000 here. So would it be an even match against a 2050-2100 with a pawn odd?

PS: Anyone interested in a pawn odds match :) ? (2 matches with reversed colors)

Thanks and Cheers,

 If the GM is also covered in honey and there is a beehive next to the table, while I would be wearing a Hazmat-suit ( or some other form of protection that would prevent me from being stung ), I might win by the chance that the GM calls it quits and runs from the table.

Otherwise my situation would be completely helpless. I am very much an amateur chess-player right now. :)

They played in male tournaments too, and Chiburdanidze had a rating above 2500.

I think most of you underestimate how strong GM's are. I lost to Dzindzi with 5 -1 time odds and I am a pretty good blitz player. Oh and I forgot to mention I got to pick the square he had to checkmate me on or else I won--I tried this twice and lost!

GM's are really good--

My god Schachgeek, your arrogance is astounding. You seriously think that 45 extra minutes could allow you to make a dent in Kasparov? 

I m 1510(national ELO) and some months ago in an handicap tournament i played against a 2400 IM.I had 26 minutes and he had 4 minutes.I played the black side of a Budapest Gambit and achieved a very nice position,at least equal,but he outplayed me in the endgame,giving mate with 15 secs left ont he clock.

I don't think I understand how time odds affect people very well, but I would think that IM would be able to repeat that at least 9 out of 10 times... if he couldn't switch very well to blitz mode I could see the lower rated player winning more.

I think I could give 1 min vs 10 min time odds against a player rated 500 points lower and win about every game, maybe that's too optimistic?

I knew my chances were very little,so for that tournament i prepared some Budapest lines,searching for complications to drain their clocks.

If you are rated 2000 and give 1 min vs 10 min against a 1500..you might be shocked about the outcome.Dont forget some 1500 players can play slightly better than their rating.

In that very same tournament i saw a 1830 pushing a GM (2430) against the ropes. 26 min vs 4 min

1 minute versus 5 minutes is a much different game for most people. Even with an extra 500 rating points it is unlikely that you would win 90% of the time. In fact statistically in an even game you odds are not that much better.

For most GM's (or IM's) they can play amazing chess in a blitz game. Look through databases and you will see some very high quality games played in Monte Carlo and other events with both blitz and blindfold constraints.

Many stronger players with time handicaps try and go directly to an endgame where their strength is more obvious (this is what the Fed told me after he crushed me)--number of moves or even balanced position after 15,20 or 25 moves does not really matter. The thing is these strong players pull out wins even when having inferior positions.

Ok, this makes sense now -- it felt like I was over estimating it but I couldn't come up with a reason why not, now I see I was.

Just so you know, 500 points difference is actually a 96% chance, but still 10 to 1 time odds would drop that pretty good.  I'd like to try it though.  I've tried simultaneous 4/0 games online and it drops me about 500 points depending on how good/fast the two players are, (this may be harder than you think... at least at my level it's pretty tough) with all my concentration on one game I simply see myself getting a better position every game, even with big time odds, but thinking of the rating to percentages again... hmm I don't know how well I'd do.

I keep thinking that however long they take I'll be seeing at least everything they can see during their turn, so after they move I'd only need a few seconds to make sure I don't blunder... but I guess this is unrealistic, especially if it became a very sharp/tactical game.