How to know my ELO level in chess.com?

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punchdrunkpatzer
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Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

punchdrunkpatzer
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punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

In actuality, FIDE should adjust their performance designations according to the realistic expectations larger organizations like chess.com provide. Chess.com has many more active members than FIDE. Hence chess.com's rating more closely reflects global playing strength.

It's just the reality that hardly any chess players do any study

BigChessplayer665
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

Typically it does by it really depends 90% percentile does not make you an expert at something though maybe it makes you better than everyone else ok that's fair it's one thing to be better than most people it's another thing to be an expert at something it really depends tbh

Actualy in chess.com settings when you open up an account "intermediate " says around 1200 lol

BigChessplayer665
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

In actuality, FIDE should adjust their performance designations according to the realistic expectations larger organizations like chess.com provide. Chess.com has many more active members than FIDE. Hence chess.com's rating more closely reflects global playing strength.

It's just the reality that hardly any chess players do any study

That's true hardly any chess players study and when they do a lot get it wrong (which is fine it happens )

punchdrunkpatzer
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

Typically it does by it really depends 90% percentile does not make you an expert at something though maybe it makes you better than everyone else ok that's fair it's one thing to be better than most people it's another thing to be an expert at something it really depends tbh

Actualy in chess.com settings when you open up an account "intermediate " says around 1200 lol

i think that's an artifact of what the global average was when the "choose your own starting rating" system was implemented. Beforehand, all new members of chess.com started at 1200 elo in all time controls and moved up or down the ladder based on their relative performance.

In those days, the global average always hovered around 1200, occasionally shifting up or down but never venturing too far. Intermediate was defined as being around the global average. As it stands, the starting rating designations don't have much correspondance to the global average.

BigChessplayer665
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

Typically it does by it really depends 90% percentile does not make you an expert at something though maybe it makes you better than everyone else ok that's fair it's one thing to be better than most people it's another thing to be an expert at something it really depends tbh

Actualy in chess.com settings when you open up an account "intermediate " says around 1200 lol

i think that's an artifact of what the global average was when the "choose your own starting rating" system was implemented. Beforehand, all new members of chess.com started at 1200 elo in all time controls and moved up or down the ladder based on their relative performance.

In those days, the global average always hovered around 1200, occasionally shifting up or down but never venturing too far. Intermediate was defined as being around the global average.

I don't think it really can be anymore sadly... Honestly since ethe average on chess.com is mostly beginners cause more beginners are joining

Like if an average person joining is a begginer would that make them an intermediate ?

punchdrunkpatzer
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

Typically it does by it really depends 90% percentile does not make you an expert at something though maybe it makes you better than everyone else ok that's fair it's one thing to be better than most people it's another thing to be an expert at something it really depends tbh

Actualy in chess.com settings when you open up an account "intermediate " says around 1200 lol

i think that's an artifact of what the global average was when the "choose your own starting rating" system was implemented. Beforehand, all new members of chess.com started at 1200 elo in all time controls and moved up or down the ladder based on their relative performance.

In those days, the global average always hovered around 1200, occasionally shifting up or down but never venturing too far. Intermediate was defined as being around the global average.

I don't think it really can be anymore sadly... Honestly since ethe average on chess.com is mostly beginners cause more beginners are joining

Like if an average person joining is a begginer would that make them an intermediate ?

In the most straightforward statistical sense of the word, "intermediate" is someone that falls within one standard deviation of the mean performance; that being around 620 or so. So in between the two tails on a normal distribution. For example, an "intermediate" IQ score would fall between 85 and 115

BigChessplayer665
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

Typically it does by it really depends 90% percentile does not make you an expert at something though maybe it makes you better than everyone else ok that's fair it's one thing to be better than most people it's another thing to be an expert at something it really depends tbh

Actualy in chess.com settings when you open up an account "intermediate " says around 1200 lol

i think that's an artifact of what the global average was when the "choose your own starting rating" system was implemented. Beforehand, all new members of chess.com started at 1200 elo in all time controls and moved up or down the ladder based on their relative performance.

In those days, the global average always hovered around 1200, occasionally shifting up or down but never venturing too far. Intermediate was defined as being around the global average.

I don't think it really can be anymore sadly... Honestly since ethe average on chess.com is mostly beginners cause more beginners are joining

Like if an average person joining is a begginer would that make them an intermediate ?

In the most straightforward statistical sense of the word, "intermediate" is someone that falls within one standard deviation of the mean performance; that being around 620 or so. So in between the two tails on a normal distribution. For example, an "intermediate" IQ score would fall between 85 and 115

I guess but most people even do they do take iq tests they arnt that accurate sometimes it could depend on the day or how much they "study " for example ,even stuff like school effects that or health

punchdrunkpatzer
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punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

Typically it does by it really depends 90% percentile does not make you an expert at something though maybe it makes you better than everyone else ok that's fair it's one thing to be better than most people it's another thing to be an expert at something it really depends tbh

Actualy in chess.com settings when you open up an account "intermediate " says around 1200 lol

i think that's an artifact of what the global average was when the "choose your own starting rating" system was implemented. Beforehand, all new members of chess.com started at 1200 elo in all time controls and moved up or down the ladder based on their relative performance.

In those days, the global average always hovered around 1200, occasionally shifting up or down but never venturing too far. Intermediate was defined as being around the global average.

I don't think it really can be anymore sadly... Honestly since ethe average on chess.com is mostly beginners cause more beginners are joining

Like if an average person joining is a begginer would that make them an intermediate ?

In the most straightforward statistical sense of the word, "intermediate" is someone that falls within one standard deviation of the mean performance; that being around 620 or so. So in between the two tails on a normal distribution. For example, an "intermediate" IQ score would fall between 85 and 115

I guess but most people even do they do take iq tests they arnt that accurate sometimes it could depend on the day or how much they "study " for example ,even stuff like school effects that or health

It was just a more relatable example of what I mean in a statistical sense

BigChessplayer665
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
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punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
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punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

Typically it does by it really depends 90% percentile does not make you an expert at something though maybe it makes you better than everyone else ok that's fair it's one thing to be better than most people it's another thing to be an expert at something it really depends tbh

Actualy in chess.com settings when you open up an account "intermediate " says around 1200 lol

i think that's an artifact of what the global average was when the "choose your own starting rating" system was implemented. Beforehand, all new members of chess.com started at 1200 elo in all time controls and moved up or down the ladder based on their relative performance.

In those days, the global average always hovered around 1200, occasionally shifting up or down but never venturing too far. Intermediate was defined as being around the global average.

I don't think it really can be anymore sadly... Honestly since ethe average on chess.com is mostly beginners cause more beginners are joining

Like if an average person joining is a begginer would that make them an intermediate ?

In the most straightforward statistical sense of the word, "intermediate" is someone that falls within one standard deviation of the mean performance; that being around 620 or so. So in between the two tails on a normal distribution. For example, an "intermediate" IQ score would fall between 85 and 115

I guess but most people even do they do take iq tests they arnt that accurate sometimes it could depend on the day or how much they "study " for example ,even stuff like school effects that or health

It was just a more relatable example of what I mean in a statistical sense

In actual sense 1200 is more of a intermediate I guess in statistical sense it's "advanced " just depends how you look at it I guess

punchdrunkpatzer
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punchdrunkpatzer wrote:

Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

Typically it does by it really depends 90% percentile does not make you an expert at something though maybe it makes you better than everyone else ok that's fair it's one thing to be better than most people it's another thing to be an expert at something it really depends tbh

Actualy in chess.com settings when you open up an account "intermediate " says around 1200 lol

i think that's an artifact of what the global average was when the "choose your own starting rating" system was implemented. Beforehand, all new members of chess.com started at 1200 elo in all time controls and moved up or down the ladder based on their relative performance.

In those days, the global average always hovered around 1200, occasionally shifting up or down but never venturing too far. Intermediate was defined as being around the global average.

I don't think it really can be anymore sadly... Honestly since ethe average on chess.com is mostly beginners cause more beginners are joining

Like if an average person joining is a begginer would that make them an intermediate ?

In the most straightforward statistical sense of the word, "intermediate" is someone that falls within one standard deviation of the mean performance; that being around 620 or so. So in between the two tails on a normal distribution. For example, an "intermediate" IQ score would fall between 85 and 115

I guess but most people even do they do take iq tests they arnt that accurate sometimes it could depend on the day or how much they "study " for example ,even stuff like school effects that or health

It was just a more relatable example of what I mean in a statistical sense

In actual sense 1200 is more of a intermediate I guess in statistical sense it's "advanced " just depends how you look at it I guess

I wouldn't consider someone that can beat 90% of the population of chess players an intermediate. Certainly not an expert either. Perhaps there ought to be more descriptive levels like in USCF with the classes.

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Considering the sheer number of users on Chess.com and that 1200 roughly corresponds to the 90th percentile of online time controls, I think it can be considered at least intermediate if not stronger.

I wouldn't call it stronger than in intermediate 1600 is more of an "advanced " level but 1600 isn't even good enough to be considered an expert (even if they are good ) at least a deffinently didn't think I was an expert at 1600 elo ..

I'm not sure what criteria you use to determine relative strength in chess, but there are so many active players on chess.com that the sampling should give a thorough picture of real-world performance. That is to say, your percentile on chess.com ought to represent your relative playing strength in comparison to all chess players in the world. If the average global rating is 600 or so, that represents intermediate playing strength. 1200 is uite a bit above average.

It is definitely above average but for example on lichess it evens out at around 2100(depending on the person )

On lichess 2150 ish is around the 95 percentile

Chess.com is around 99.5th or more

So you can't really compare based of percentile

But if lichess and chess.com evens out at around 2000-2300 then what gives ?

You've got it backwards. Percentile is a more objective measure of performance than rating on either site. The issue is that both sites have different numbers of active players. Chess.com has a much more active playerbase and numerous playerbase, hence chess.com's percentile measures closer to real-world expectations than Lichess.

It still isn't compared to actual otb players 1200 is more of a low intermediate ish

Just because "most " people are 600 that doesn't make someone an expert just because they are better than everyone else expecalt when considering (most ) experts are at least around 2000 elo aka titled players

Ever since FIDE implemented their "under 2000" rating adjustment, chess.com's rating actually aligns quite well with fide playing strength up until 2300 according to chessgoals.com

Typically it does by it really depends 90% percentile does not make you an expert at something though maybe it makes you better than everyone else ok that's fair it's one thing to be better than most people it's another thing to be an expert at something it really depends tbh

Actualy in chess.com settings when you open up an account "intermediate " says around 1200 lol

i think that's an artifact of what the global average was when the "choose your own starting rating" system was implemented. Beforehand, all new members of chess.com started at 1200 elo in all time controls and moved up or down the ladder based on their relative performance.

In those days, the global average always hovered around 1200, occasionally shifting up or down but never venturing too far. Intermediate was defined as being around the global average.

I don't think it really can be anymore sadly... Honestly since ethe average on chess.com is mostly beginners cause more beginners are joining

Like if an average person joining is a begginer would that make them an intermediate ?

In the most straightforward statistical sense of the word, "intermediate" is someone that falls within one standard deviation of the mean performance; that being around 620 or so. So in between the two tails on a normal distribution. For example, an "intermediate" IQ score would fall between 85 and 115

I guess but most people even do they do take iq tests they arnt that accurate sometimes it could depend on the day or how much they "study " for example ,even stuff like school effects that or health

It was just a more relatable example of what I mean in a statistical sense

In actual sense 1200 is more of a intermediate I guess in statistical sense it's "advanced " just depends how you look at it I guess

I wouldn't consider someone that can beat 90% of the population of chess players an intermediate. Certainly not an expert either. Perhaps there ought to be more descriptive levels like in USCF with the classes.

Probably by tbh most of the population doesn't study or actualy improve and chess or if they do it's a few games a month and casual improvement so it (probably) could be considered an intermediate compared to the other people who study but yes they should be more discriptive probably better than having like 5 terms total (new ,beginner,intermediate,advanced,expert)

Thought alot of 800s study lol

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