I Don't See the Point of the Touch-Move Rule

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RonaldJosephCote

                 hahahahaaa   that sounds like HIS level.

EscherehcsE
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

                    Why are fire engines RED??

Is this one of them there Mensa test questions? (Never mind that they're not all red; OK, most are so I'll give you that one.)

The fire engine makers always have a surplus of red paint?

They're really supposed to be white, but someone keeps spilling huge amounts of Heinz ketchup into the paint vats?

Did I pass? Please tell me I'm not one of them there dumb ones...

vdgman
aww-rats wrote:

If no touch move rule, you would distract your opponent easily. Say you pick up your Bishop, then notice your opponent will win elsewhere on the board. So, you let go of the bishop, and grab the Knight he is threatening, then see moving it loses too. You keep at this until you find the piece you can safely move. You have just succeeded in annoying your opponent and have broken his concentration. Therein lies the key. This is why tournament halls are silent. The touch move rule is just one of many rules meant to allow full concentration during a game.

true.

RonaldJosephCote

                     You did pass. Your not dumb. Fact is, I don't know why most fire trucks are red. I've seen a few yellow. Most ambulances are white, and there's a law that says school buses have to be yellow. Why?, I have NO idea. I used that fire truck example because the OP reminds me of a 5 yr old. 150 post, one of which is the official USCF explanation about the enforcement of touch-rule, and he says, Yeah but, I STILL don't understand. He either just wants to argue, or he's just not mature enough for chess.

generalchesspr

The rule I was taught was you could even move a piece to a legal square but if you let go of the piece completely you must leave it there. Cheers!Tongue Out

bobbyDK
MonsterRespawn skrev:

I still didn't get a good answer. Many people talked about how picking up or moving a piece and taking it back is unacceptable, but I still don't see why it is wrong to just touch it WITHOUT PICKING IT UP OR MOVING IT. There's no way the player can put the piece on another square if he/she doesn't pick it up or move it. Just touching a piece shouldn't be so annoying either, if he/she doesn't pick it up or move it, as I said.

Looks like my question pissed a lot of stupid people off for some reason.

otherwise if you touch a piece WITHOUT PICKING IT UP OR MOVING IT you may change your mind if the opponent smiles. Do you think it would be ok to sit and touch a piece for 3 minutes and after that move something else?

Even WITHOUT PICKING IT UP OR MOVING IT would really be distracting if an opponent touches 1-3 pieces every move. 

also the referee isn't at the table so you could say I didn't move it I just touched the piece. It would be word against word.

also a benefit of the rule is that in fast games 5 minutes or less people will still have to think before touching a piece.

I have seen games against some players it is a nightmare to watch - pieces they capture literally fly of the board, pieces fall over, they play really fast.

if you add that they are allow to change their mind it would be impossible to be a referee.

Conflagration_Planet
Scottrf wrote:

I think it's so you can't see your opponents reaction.

Probably. It's like no string betting in poker. People want to string bet, to gauge their opponents subtle reactions so they'll know whether to raise or not.

 
 
 
SmyslovFan

Touch-move does mean you can move the piece you touched to any legal square, even if you change your mind in mid-air. If you plan to play Ra1-a5, but drop it accidentally on a4, technically, that's your move. This sort of "mouse slip" happens quite often on the internet, but it does also happen occasionally in real life too.

Once you touch an opponent's piece with the intention of taking it, you must take it. (Reaching for the e-pawn and knocking over your king is not considered touching it according to the rules. Intent must be there.)

If you try to castle, remember it's a King's move. No arbiter will penalize an amateur for touching the rook first once in a tournament. But try that stunt twice, and you may be forced to move the rook.

Yeah, chess has some pretty strict rules. But if you don't like those rules, you can always play other games.

generalchesspr

The rule I was taught was you could even move a piece to a legal square but if you let go of the piece completly you must leave it there. Cheers!Tongue Out

Conflagration_Planet
generalchesspr wrote:

The rule I was taught was you could even move a piece to a legal square but if you let go of the piece completly you must leave it there. Cheers!

I've read the rules, and that's true. "If you quit your man, it must remain there."

 
 
 
SilentKnighte5
generalchesspr wrote:

The rule I was taught was you could even move a piece to a legal square but if you let go of the piece completly you must leave it there. Cheers!

Unless you're Kasparov.

SilentKnighte5
SmyslovFan wrote:

If you try to castle, remember it's a King's move. No arbiter will penalize an amateur for touching the rook first once in a tournament. But try that stunt twice, and you may be forced to move the rook.

USCF rules allow you to touch the rook 1st to castle.  FIDE requires you to touch the king first.  Of course, most open sections are FIDE rated and follow FIDE rules, but that's not the US rule.

SmyslovFan

For those who have no clue what SilentKnighte is referring to, Kasparov, in a blitz game against Judit Polgar, once let go of a piece on a square that blundered the game. He instantly grabbed it and made a better move with it. The incident was caught on camera and is available on youtube. You have to watch it in slow motion to see that he definitely let go of the piece. He ended up winning the game. I don't think Polgar ever forgave him. 

And, apparently, neither have some people on this site. 

SmyslovFan
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

If you try to castle, remember it's a King's move. No arbiter will penalize an amateur for touching the rook first once in a tournament. But try that stunt twice, and you may be forced to move the rook.

USCF rules allow you to touch the rook 1st to castle.  FIDE requires you to touch the king first.  Of course, most open sections are FIDE rated and follow FIDE rules, but that's not the US rule.

USCF rules state that castling is a King's move. But it also states that there is no penalty  to moving the rook first except when castling is illegal (10I2). Basically, USCF has a bit of an amateur's eye to the rule while FIDE caters to chess professionals. 

Irontiger

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but the idea is that you are not supposed to move the pieces around when thinking, for obvious reasons. So instead of a "move-move" rule that is hard to enforce (how much moving is moving?) it is "touch-move" (or touch-take for the opponent's pieces).

Admiral_Kirk
SilentKnighte5 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

If you try to castle, remember it's a King's move. No arbiter will penalize an amateur for touching the rook first once in a tournament. But try that stunt twice, and you may be forced to move the rook.

USCF rules allow you to touch the rook 1st to castle.  FIDE requires you to touch the king first.  Of course, most open sections are FIDE rated and follow FIDE rules, but that's not the US rule.

Wow, I did not know that.  It makes sense, though; it seems USCF rules are less strict and more kid-friendly than FIDE.  I personally don't like it, but I guess they reason that chess isn't exactly football in Amerca, so they have to bring people in and keep them however they can.

bangalore2

You mean American football? Football isn't football in America! It's kinda like chess, everyone plays it as a kid, then forgets.....

Admiral_Kirk

I was actually thinking of both.  So-called American football is bigger in America than chess is in America, and football is bigger outside of America (Europe/South America) than chess is in America.  I was thinking of football first, what with the world cup recently, and it worked out that the example applies to us Americans too.

(I play with a global "flag" to symbolize unity, but I am from America, since it was probably unclear.  Sorry about that.)

JamieDelarosa
EscherehcsE wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

                    Why are fire engines RED??

Is this one of them there Mensa test questions? (Never mind that they're not all red; OK, most are so I'll give you that one.)

The fire engine makers always have a surplus of red paint?

They're really supposed to be white, but someone keeps spilling huge amounts of Heinz ketchup into the paint vats?

Did I pass? Please tell me I'm not one of them there dumb ones...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_engine_red

SilentKnighte5

Touching the king or rook first isn't a big deal.

Occasionally I pick up both pieces simultaneously when playing black and castling kingside.