I'm so sick of players using this tactic

It's a good fight. It ends up with a totally drawn position. like rook vs rook or any other position that is totally dead and drawn.

I offer a draw and wait for it to be accepted. letting my clock tick... then it don't get accepted, and I end up having to race for some sort of repitition draw in a totally drawn position.

That is why clocks ruin chess

What?

You make a move when offering a draw so your clock is not running.

In tournament chess it's required to move then offer draw, you can't offer a draw before moving.

The official USCF rule on offering draws is that you make your move and then offer the draw so that they aren't burning your time.

Luke

The clock is an integral element of the game; deal with it. Set the clock for sort of chess that you want to play. Play with a time delay and you will never deal with this tactic. When I play 3 0 or 1 0 (my preferences here), I accept that such nonsense is part of the game. Hence, I must become better at winning or drawing dead positions than my rivals.

When I started playing online chess in the late 1990s, I played a bit of 2 12. I quickly determined that the quality of play I found did not merit the investment of time that each game required. I switched to 5 0, and eventually 3 0.

In general, you should only offer draw AFTER you have played your move: If you don´t follow this rule, your opponent is not forced to answer and simply waits for you to move...

If you offer draw after you have played your move, your opponent would be forced to answer, either by accepting it, either by refusing it (in this case he is not forced to talk, he can simply play his move and the game follows as nothing has happened...)

In any case, he would be thinking about the draw proposal in his own time ;)

Clocks were originally introduced to chess because in the old days, if one player reached a losing position, they would simply refuse to move under the pretense that they were still thinking about the position. Eventually someone would have to resign and the resignation would have nothing to do with the position on the board.

If you want a game in which the clock doesn't play a big factor I would suggest online chess which is more like correspondence chess only it is played online. With a time control of three days and the option to use a vacation time out, the clock becomes fairly irrelevant.

roflmao

To be even more specific, the rule is to make your move on the board, offer the draw, then start your opponent's clock.

I'm not sure if you're referring to Chess.com.  If that's the case, offer the draw and make your move in either order, since making the move automatically starts your opponent's clock.

Oh 

I remember how I trolled one guy, he totally busted me, but his time was running out. So I used these stalling moves just to make him feel bad, then resigned when his clock was just at 1 seconds.

Thought that should be fair, he was better so let him have win :)

Its simple, I had 1 player try to run me off the clock with R vs R. I Just moved the rook around for 50 moves. Result 1/2 1/2 and he lost someone to play for life. If its a 1 min game ok time and mouse speed is everything but in anything say better than 3 min just take the draw. 

Add a 5 second bonus to your Live Chess games, and revel in the abundant time you will have to finish your endgames on the board, instead of the clock.  Q.E.D.

I think it would be awesome if someone offered me a draw, didn't make a move,  and let their clock continue to run.

I would laugh fiendishly every time I brought the game up on screen and saw their time running down.

I used to play 1 min/5 bonus games, and I won so many games with 10 seconds on the clock because my opponent, not realizing there was bonus time, would just start making horrible sacrifices with the sole intent of killing my time.  Then, when they realized I not only got their queen, but 5 seconds on every move, they would generally say something like "bonus time is so dumb." 

hahaha that must have the Age of Sobby losers then. lol

OMGWTFBBQ you were once rated over 1900 on this site and are currently 1800 how is that possible?

Actually that happened for 2 reasons.

1) I lost about 8 games in a row entirely b/c of inactivity

2) I have not played an an online chess game since then and it was about a year ago

 Time can be abused no matter the time control esp in longer games, it is usually players that can not deal with making mistakes and losing. Look at the infamous Steinitz -Von Bardeleben game where Bardeleben walked out and Steinitz had to wait for the time to run out.

I quit playing online days per move chess because players would refuse to resign in a dead lost position (rook and several pawns down in an endgame with zero chances to win or draw) and push the time to the limit each time resulting in a month to finish a game just because I had to check in and make a move every few days and learn nothing. Anyone that says well you COULD do something wrong is wasting both players time and is doing it only to enact some sort of personal revenge. I have better things to do than waste my time playing out 20 moves at 2 days a move. 

As a note, the reason clocks started being used in chess was so that tournaments could be held in a timely fashion. With out clocks rounds could not be completed on time and players could take hours to make moves holding everyone up. It also was obvious that equal time equates to a more equal competitive environment. Players should find equally strong moves based on time not because they took 4 hours to find a move compared to anothers players 4 minutes.

No you misunderstood me, a hundred point drop is no big deal, I do it all the time.

 I mean how is it possible for you to have such a high rating but not know that you make a move THEN offer a draw? What would possess you to offer a draw and let your clock keep running?

For that matter, if you don't make a move the game doesn't come up on the list of next games to move on, so they think they're still waiting for you , which is why they don't see the draw offer.

Oh, not every player knows all the rules.  There's the story of the GM who needed to check if he could castle while his rook was being attacked.