What's the average Elo rating climb-speed of a novice chess player?

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creatovert

Hello, Chess chesspawn.png community. Namaste! Greetings from Nepal.

I have a question that has been bugging me for the past few days. 

What's the average Elo rating climb-speed of a novice chess player?

And I know it's a vague & difficult question to answer and the phrasing of the question could be done in a better way but I'll try to explain myself here.

I joined this site in 2014 but I started playing chess regularly only after the Coronavirus lockdown started 7-8 months ago and I played a ridiculous amount of games during this time (total no. of games probably over 3000). I would categorize myself as an 1100-1200 rated player and I spent months at that rating level and then took a break and started playing chess again last month. Two weeks ago I started taking chess very seriously (like there was a gun to my head and my life depended on it) and suddenly my rating jumped more than 350. Right now I have a rating of 1500 and it's my highest rating yet. 

This sudden more than 350+ points is making me feel happy and uneasy at the same time. 

Is it because I started taking chess seriously or is it just a lucky break? Or is it because of the fact that I had already played a lot of games and somehow my brain remembered patterns from a long time ago due to extreme pressure? Some people may find this jump insignificant but it means the world to me to be at this level because It was so sweaty and difficult & almost suffocating to maintain the rating of 1200 a few months ago. Right now, I'm facing Imposter Syndrome and I am simply unable to start another game due to my lack of confidence. But I also want to maintain this momentum and maybe gain another 350+ points in the next few weeks if that's humanely possible. 

Which is why I asked the question, What's the average Elo rating climb-speed of a novice chess player?

Again I know the question is vague and the answer depends on a lot of variables.

It would be very helpful to me if you just give me the general idea of it or just state your stats like how many games have you played and how long did it take for you to reach a certain rating? What was your rating climb speed and what impacted the most? 

Thank you for going through a long essay-like post. I admire your patience and empathetic persona happy.png 

Deranged

Took me 2 years to go from 1700-2000 rating on this site.

creatovert
UrkedCrow wrote:

I've always thought it should be possible to go from zero to 1600 within a year, and you're proving that . The average rise I'm sure is much slower.

You want to play opponents who can give you points - people who outrate you by 100 or 200 points.

So is it going to be extremely difficult for me to increase my rating after I reach around 1600-? I have no knowledge of opening theories and chess theory in general. 

creatovert
Deranged wrote:

Took me 2 years to go from 1700-2000 rating on this site.

Wow that's a lot of time investment & dedication towards this game. How many games did you play during this time and what helped you improve your chess and reach the 2000 club? 

creatovert
UrkedCrow wrote:
creatovert wrote:
UrkedCrow wrote:

I've always thought it should be possible to go from zero to 1600 within a year, and you're proving that . The average rise I'm sure is much slower.

You want to play opponents who can give you points - people who outrate you by 100 or 200 points.

So is it going to be extremely difficult for me to increase my rating after I reach around 1600-? I have no knowledge of opening theories and chess theory in general. 

It gets tougher and tougher and you will hit plateaus to overcome. Openings and endgames will become more important. 

Is it a gross overestimation to say that 'studying 10 major opening theories' (5 for black and 5 for white) at a deep level is enough to be a good chess player (around 2000)? I have a target to reach 2000 and participate in national tournaments if possible. But I want to play chess more and minimize the study a little rather than studying hundreds of books. I'm completely fine with studying 30 books maybe (3 books for each opening). I apologize for the off-beat question!

creatovert
llama45 wrote:

And I mean that for new players.

Not someone who's been playing casually for years and is already 1300 or something.

A new player would easily be below 1000.

Thank you for your response. And yes my question was of a novice chess player. So this sudden 350+ rating climb of mine is just a beginner's boost I guess. I'll update If I get another surge. 

creatovert
UrkedCrow wrote:
creatovert wrote:
UrkedCrow wrote:
creatovert wrote:
UrkedCrow wrote:

I've always thought it should be possible to go from zero to 1600 within a year, and you're proving that . The average rise I'm sure is much slower.

You want to play opponents who can give you points - people who outrate you by 100 or 200 points.

So is it going to be extremely difficult for me to increase my rating after I reach around 1600-? I have no knowledge of opening theories and chess theory in general. 

It gets tougher and tougher and you will hit plateaus to overcome. Openings and endgames will become more important. 

Is it a gross overestimation to say that 'studying 10 major opening theories' (5 for black and 5 for white) at a deep level is enough to be a good chess player (around 2000)? I have a target to reach 2000 and participate in national tournaments if possible. But I want to play chess more and minimize the study a little rather than studying hundreds of books. I'm completely fine with studying 30 books maybe (3 books for each opening). I apologize for the off-beat question!

Not 5 openings each, that's far too much 

Decide how you're going to open for white, d4 or e4 or something else, and prepare for the black defenses that entails. 

With black decide how you're going to respond to d4 and e4.

Repertoire books make it easier.

Thank you. You have the exact rating of what I'm aiming for. happy.png How long have you been playing chess and roughly how many games or hours you've played chess till now accounting for both online and OTB games sir? 

creatovert
llama45 wrote:

For an example, we had some kids join our OTB club, brothers around the age of 12 as beginners.

They played every week and had some coaching. After 1 year they were about 1300 USCF. I felt like that was pretty standard. Their parents were the kind who made the kid's schedule very full. They were also doing music, playing sports, and had math and language tutoring... you might know the kind of parent I mean

So I guess everyone can reach 1500-1600 level within a year with proper training and studying chess theory diligently. 

xor_eax
creatovert wrote:
Deranged wrote:

Took me 2 years to go from 1700-2000 rating on this site.

Wow that's a lot of time investment & dedication towards this game. How many games did you play during this time and what helped you improve your chess and reach the 2000 club? 

I was stuck at 1300-1400 for years, but then i discovered all I played for was tactics. After learning about how to try formulate a long term plan in my games, and maybe play a bit better positionally when nothing tactical is going on (or if cannot see any immediate tactics to exploit), I easily reached 1800.

I believe the biggest mistake someone can make is try to improve only with tactics. You see, puzzles and all those things rely on positions which have already been set up. If you cannot get into those positions, or at least, indirectly steer the opponent towards them, there's no guarantee you will be able to use those tactics. And if you dont know what to do in those cases, you will end up moving pieces aimlessly. On the other hand, if you have some sort of plan, you will, at least, have more chances of playing a better move than a random one.

 Im around 1750-1850 on some other site, and I really dont study chess at all. The only thing I have noticed is pawn structure starts to become really important at the 1700 mark, because long term strategy dictates if you can mess up your opponents pawn structure then you can often trade off everything and be better at the endgame.

creatovert
xor_eax wrote:
creatovert wrote:
Deranged wrote:

Took me 2 years to go from 1700-2000 rating on this site.

Wow that's a lot of time investment & dedication towards this game. How many games did you play during this time and what helped you improve your chess and reach the 2000 club? 

I was stuck at 1300-1400 for years, but then i discovered all I played for was tactics. After learning about how to try formulate a long term plan in my games, and maybe play a bit better positionally when nothing tactical is going on (or if cannot see any immediate tactics to exploit), I easily reached 1800.

I believe the biggest mistake someone can make is try to improve only with tactics. You see, puzzles and all those things rely on positions which have already been set up. If you cannot get into those positions, or at least, indirectly steer the opponent towards them, there's no guarantee you will be able to use those tactics. And if you dont know what to do in those cases, you will end up moving pieces aimlessly. On the other hand, if you have some sort of plan, you will, at least, have more chances of playing a better move than a random one.

 Im around 1750-1850 on some other site, and I really dont study chess at all. The only thing I have noticed is pawn structure starts to become really important at the 1700 mark, because long term strategy dictates if you can mess up your opponents pawn structure then you can often trade off everything and be better at the endgame.

Thank you so much for your input. I'm also a player who relies on tactics and tactics alone so I was thinking of building my chess theory base by learning from online courses by GMs.  

xor_eax
llama45 wrote:
xor_eax wrote:

 Im around 1750-1850 on some other site

Umm...

Maybe lichess classical (the easiest rating I know of) and even then only if you've played only a few games, and even then you're probably rounding up lol

No it's not lichess, it's a correspondence like chess site. You know, being able to think for 2 or 3 minutes a position makes a world of difference compared to 10' chess. My peak was 1874 very recently and Im sitting at 1801 now with over 70 simul games. I've also played over 3000 games there. I've beaten several 1900+ players so far. Why do you feel the need to state Im lying or exaggerating?

creatovert
llama45 wrote:

A fun user to point out is this guy. Over 300,000 bullet games and is currently below 1100.

That's not a typo. Three hundred thousand games.

https://www.chess.com/member/peacemyfriend

Wow. The level of dedication is amazing but  I would like a lesser no. of trials and errors.  Maybe the bullet format is at fault here. Human minds cannot judge accurately when under time pressure. Wow... 3 hundred thousand games. I've just played 1/100th fraction. 

xor_eax

A player between 1900-1950 ELO rating on the other site's pool. Sorry, maybe it sounded I had beaten more than 1900 players lol. 

xor_eax
llama45 wrote:

By the way time controls change nothing. If you have less time so does your opponent.

If you have more time so does your opponent.

This is not a valid argument, you are just stating a fact. No minds are like. Some people are better at longer time controls than others. We are not machines running the same stockfish engine with the same hardware and same time controls. You should know this considering you are 2100 and making silly smirk remarks.

catmaster0
llama45 wrote:

What does it mean to beat a 1900+ player?

What is a 1900 player?

I feel like continuing this conversation in a frank way would be somehow inappropriate so I'll leave it at that:  asking what a rating means.

Yeah... I know what you mean. I was curious about some of those details myself. Hard to be sure without more information though, lol. 

Whatever the case, fortunately chess.com gives an accurate enough rating picture. 

m_connors

Depends on the player. GM Yasser Seirawan went from novice (age 12) to GM in about 7 years (age 19). Me, I'm still learning to get the pieces out of the box after 50 years! wink.png

Good luck either way.

EminemTheMonster

I learned how to play two years ago, when I was 12. I'm kind of tilted rn though.

I don't think that there is a definable "average rating-climb", as it usually depends on how much effort said person puts into improving.

dreonanyday

i hope i get 1000 before the end of this year! only in rapid i gave up on bullet its too hard tongue.png

EminemTheMonster
dreonanyday wrote:

i hope i get 1000 before the end of this year! only in rapid i gave up on bullet its too hard

now imagine playing bullet on a trackpad ._.

good luck in accomplishing your goal happy.png if you want, i can "coach" you for free if you are serious about improving. i'm not a qualified coach or anything, but i think i can give some good advice and play some rapid games, analyze every now and then. send me a PM.

dreonanyday

wow i think you have the highest ratings ive seen around the forums surprise.png and how can u even play on a trackpad! thats close to self torture i think tongue.png r u srs abt that offer? bcs im def up for it!