It is allowed to use opening databases during games.
"+/-" is engine speak for which side has the advantage in a game.
+ white has the advanatage.
- black has the advantage
.33 is 1/3 of a pawn, which is 1 tempo.
in-game opening database.....cheating?
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Feb 7, 2017
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#3
Pawn=1, bishop and knight=3 ...and so on
+2 means you have captured 2 value more than your opponent. Although it's not always mean someone with "+ xx"is better.
And to your first question, my reaction was also like yours at first, but now I have accepted the rules and use database to understand the opening and see which variations are good or bad. Play live chess or simply make a move out of database if you don't want your opponent to use it.
Just to clarify what is allowed and what is not
LIVE Chess Daily Chess (online chess)
Opening database No Yes
Computer Engine No No
Endgame Tablebase No No
you can use any kind of static assistance in your daily chess. ( books etc)
you cannot use any assistance in live chess
thanks for your answers!! ok will keep on only live. What's the meaning to put energy to learn and practice openings, so? I like to learn by making mistakes during my openings, and thanks to the opponents' moves which are out of the mainlines. but if your opponent always chose the best statistic rate thanks to the database, it becomes an artificial fox hunting, where the opponent always open cleanly. ok just the humble thoughts of a low rate player...
No....Don't leave on for live, no assistance allowed for live
Daily chess is basically the modern electronic form of correspondence chess in which you would make your move, then post that move through the mail. Back in the day, they was no way of checking if a player was using opening books to aid them. so in order to make it fair, everyone was allowed to use opening books.
If it is something that bothers you, then you could just play live chess.
Feb 8, 2017
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#7
Yes!!! it is cheating!! any move that is not yours is cheating!!!!! any move that did not come from your stupid brain is cheating!!!
Lord_Sky wrote:
Yes!!! it is cheating!! any move that is not yours is cheating!!!!! any move that did not come from your stupid brain is cheating!!!
To end the discussion. i have copy and pasted the following from chess.com's FAQ
What are the rules for playing?
Rules of Chess
Please see this article to get started playing the world's greatest game!
Rules of Chess.com
- You may only have one Chess.com member account. (See here for reasons why.)
- Outside assistance from other people, computers/chess engines, or endgame tablebases is entirely prohibited
- In turn-based chess, You MAY use books, magazines, or other articles. You may also use computer databases (including Chess.com's Game Explorer). for opening moves.
- Openings books and game databases may be consulted for Online (correspondence-style) Chess only
- No reference tools of any sort are permitted in Live Chess
- Treat others with respect and expect the same!
- Have fun! :)
Feb 8, 2017
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2Q1C wrote:
That's why I avoid daily chess. Don't agree with the opening books being allowed but understand why it's a rule. You have people with 1900 daily rating but under 1000 blitz. It's rotten to the core.
Half the fun of Daily chess is researching opening moves, looking for offbeat ideas etc. that have been played in the past, although the online explorer sort of dumbs that down a bit, but you can still lead your opponent down a blind alley when you know they are just following a game on the explorer.
2Q1C wrote:
That's why I avoid daily chess. Don't agree with the opening books being allowed but understand why it's a rule. You have people with 1900 daily rating but under 1000 blitz. It's rotten to the core.
Again, it's online chess.The rating does not matter or mean anything. Its actually a great way to study your openings.
As i have said before. the tools on this site are training for the real deal. i think you get too hung up on the Elo rating points on here. for example, it was not long ago that you made fun at my low tactics score here. That's because i do my tactics elsewhere or i am learning specific motiffs unrated.
My OTB rating ( the only one that matters) is actually higher then any of my online ratings. thats because i use this site for training games,trying new ideas etc.
Feb 8, 2017
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#11
The openings database isn't available to me since I don't have a paid membership but I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's a good feature.
Instead of stupidly complaining about it, people should be USING it, to learn about the openings and yes, for training for OTB chess.
Instead of stupidly complaining about it, people should be USING it, to learn about the openings and yes, for training for OTB chess.
Feb 8, 2017
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#12
It is permitted to use the opening databases, both those provided and external ones that simply list moves with historic data in daily chess only. It is not permitted in live chess.
If you still want to play daily chess and don't like the fact your opponent can use the explorer, play 960.
UnderDog_Chess a écrit :
So in sports we have no way to be sure if some of the opponents use doping. Not sure it is the best solution to widely open the pharmacy lokets to everybody.
but yes, I will follow your advices and only play live.
No complaining, was just wondering if I was the only one to find it weird.
No....Don't leave on for live, no assistance allowed for live
Daily chess is basically the modern electronic form of correspondence chess in which you would make your move, then post that move through the mail. Back in the day, they was no way of checking if a player was using opening books to aid them. so in order to make it fair, everyone was allowed to use opening books.
If it is something that bothers you, then you could just play live chess.
Just play daily games from a educational point of view....it's actually an effective way of studying openings
Feb 8, 2017
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#15
Yeah it's dumb. I've seen tons of players on here with 2000 daily and no other ratings within several hundred points of that. Daily chess ratings are hilarious I bet I could break 2000 without even trying lol.
2Q1C wrote:
That's why I avoid daily chess. Don't agree with the opening books being allowed but understand why it's a rule. You have people with 1900 daily rating but under 1000 blitz. It's rotten to the core.
Feb 8, 2017
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#16
in online chess the use of database for study is allowed upto rooks are linked i believe
, this tends to be pre castling database allowed ,post castling ie rooks linked database banned ,
could anyone confirm or refute this ? thanks
Lord0fThe0nionRings wrote:
Yeah it's dumb. I've seen tons of players on here with 2000 daily and no other ratings within several hundred points of that. Daily chess ratings are hilarious I bet I could break 2000 without even trying lol.
2Q1C wrote:
That's why I avoid daily chess. Don't agree with the opening books being allowed but understand why it's a rule. You have people with 1900 daily rating but under 1000 blitz. It's rotten to the core.
Honestly? Who really cares? Its an online rating. The only rated games here that i play are correspondance. Do i care if some cheat? No. I use correspondance as a way to work on my game. If someone wants to cheat then so be it. Im not going to have a meltdown over an online rating.
Feb 8, 2017
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#18
The chess.com opening explorer is crap. Weird games, weird players, suggests weird moves, has weird statistics compared to other databases, not so many games etc....
Feb 8, 2017
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#19
I only use opening databases offline, when playing Chess King or Lucas Chess on my laptop, or Droidfish on my Android Phone. I do so to help me explore and memorize opening moves. Even so, I'm usually on my own by more 6 or 7.
Actually, I usually set the time limit for up to 10 more than I need so I can spend several minutes paging through books like Lakdawala's The Caro-Kann, Move By Move or John Emm's Starting Out: The c3 Sicilian where the WHY's of the moves are explained. For example, in Emm's book you get things like this that are lacking in details needed by a non-expert in Sveshnikov's more complete (in terms of variations) book: "1 e4 eS 2 e3 dS 3 exds QxdS 4 d4 exd4
4 ... cxd4 is a common reaction amongst those with little experience of facing the c3 Sicilian. There's clearly a strong temptation to isolate the d4-pawn as soon as possible and then to attack it from all angles. On the negative side (from Black's point of view), the c3-square instantly becomes available to White's queen's knight, and Nc3 will inevitably gain time by attacking Black's queen."
There's not enough time to absorb more than a few of these nuggets per game, but each one makes me more comfortable with REAL games online or OTB where I don't cheat at all.
Good afternoon (or morning, depending on where you are)
I am new here, and novice in the chess world, but already in love with this awesome game.
Just to talk about me, I am a proud metal head, so I prefer to play black. Ok, that was a weird introduction….
Anyway, sorry I am pretty sure this is already related in other posts, but didn’t find it, so apologizes for that, but, I have two basic questions :
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