Is being called a patzer even an insult?

I saw a post in another thread, where someone got all worked up about a guy whom called a helpful chess player a 'patzer'.

made me think- is being called an Patzer even an insult?!

respectfully, I think the answer is NO-- unless

you're a competent chess professional (a supergm),  you a famed book author, or your an experienced chess coach.

also, given. that it depends a little on who is given the insult.  perhaps its not SO insulting for someone very good; like Carlsen to call someone low rated that he commonly beats (read: nakamara) a 'patzer'.  to carlsen- perhaps a LOT of guys are patzer.

on the other hand, IMHO.  your clowns ought to be be nice and respectful to Nakamara no matter what your engine says LOL.

but generally,  being a patzer is relative.  being a patzer is normal- its really HARD to be awesome at chess.  and its healthy to leave your ego at home when your are out playing chess (online or not).  to someone, everyone here IS a patzer.

... obviously I'm more comfortable with the term than most.  what do the rest of you think?  perhaps the term feels more insulting to you than me.  why??

Totally agree. To me, patzer / woodpusher is synonymous with "amateur". What's so bad about being an amateur? As you said, most of the time, when someone thinks they aren't a patzer here, they're kidding themselves.

I don't have a problem with it. However,  I've commented on a few threads here and when people don't like what I have to say they call attention to my rating. Big deal. I'm not that good a chess player. At least I enjoy it. 

A lot of people on this site try to make out that what you have to say is less relevant because your rating is lower. It's the same as putting crap on someone else because you can run faster/lift more weight. Boring "pissing contest" stuff. So I guess in that context I do have a problem with it. I think there are certain threads that as soon as you comment in them you just get put down if you're not above a certain rating. So in that context, "patzer" means "haha, I am better than you!"

I guess my point is I don't care either way.  I mean If I have an idea- and someone is not going to listen to me- that makes him A JERK.  irregardless of the rating.

and... calling me a patzer really isn't much of an insult.  I know I am.

I never knew what Patzer meant. Now I do. And I am definitely a Patzer.

patzer chess is the best !

I was always under the impression that Fischer popularised the term "Patzer". Whilst a fan of BF, I always think that when people use the term "Patzer" they are aping Fischer and behaving like the sheep who hold up cigarette lighters at pop concerts.

Its just a matter of comparison imo . When compared to IMs and GMs I am a patzer .  Many of those IMs and GMs that see me as a patzer would themselves be seen as patzers to the world's top GMs . A class C or D player may be seen as patzers to those above them but they would be considered strong players by " recreational players " . 

I dissagree. In that logic we can call Magnus a patzer compared to Komodo. No. We should put a line. And i believe we most we will agree someone who knows well theory and have much experience and is rated close to Master or "expert" is not a patzer for example 2000. He may suck time to time, lose to low rated or play badly, but he is definetely well above average chess player which is 1300-1500.

Also a guy who is low rated, but takes chess seriously, he study, he knows theory, he is no crying when he lose or run, he analyze games etc, he is  polite , he is improvin slowly - definetely not a patzer.

But one that plays blitz or bullet all time , have few victories on time vs higher rared, most of the game he does not know what he is doing, just waiting for blunder, plays only agressive 1-2 lines , people say crap on his wall..well thats patzer

Don't ever bump a thread that has a post that uses the word "irregardless" ;)...such posts should die in peace.

I like when people try to place a definition for the word "patzer"... and it always conviently seems to be 100 points below their rating.

At least you know you're a patzer

Its a word.  It only has as much power as you allow it.

Happy to be a patzer tbh

Of course it is not.

I claimed the Crown of The King of Patzers (I am the King of Patzers).

See my profile and my threads. I am proud to be a patzer !!!

Read my threads below!

Chess cartoons, based on Pawn Sacrifice:

Pawn Pusher 1:

PAWN PUSHER (THE KING OF PATZERS)

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/fun-with-chess/new-chess-movie-pawn-pusher---see-snapshots

Pawn Pusher 2:

PAWN PUSHER: Overcoming the Chess Addiction: 

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/new-chess-movie-pawn-pusher-overcoming-the-chess-addiction

PAWN PUSHER 3: THE PAWN STARS:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/new-chess-movie-pawn-pusher-3-the-pawn-stars

Pawn Pusher 4: The Future of Chess:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/new-chess-movie-pawn-pusher-4-the-future-of-chess

The most interesting game of chess was played here in chess.com !!!!

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/the-most-interesting-game-of-chess-was-played-here-in-chesscom

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patzer

Lol

A fun thing to do is to insult someone who isn't even a chess player by calling them "patzer" or "woodpusher" and see how they react. It's amazing the lengths some people will go to feign knowledge of the definition of a word.

Interesting. I kinda agree. But Imagine this. You and group of people are in chess club playing chess. You play but you have bad manners, you play discrespecfull and badly .. And everyone calls you a patzer and they laught at you or they avoid you. They dont like you. New people come and want to play with you, but others tell them, no dont he is a patzer...

It's same as here. I log in live chess. I open seeks. I see few. But first i check their profile. I click and oh no, i see words idiot, patzer, disconects, run etc.. So do i want to play him? Only if he is lower rated and i want to punish him.. which he will be.  Its possible but way more rare a high rated (1900+) and someone calls him a patzer, and that someone is lower rated. (I myself know such guy, he is 2070 bullet and 2000 blitz somehow)  and i can score 3 out of 5 and he has no manners and plays on time and cheap tricks.