Is chess a sport or game?

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elchris
JBades6310 wrote:
Peedee wrote:
Noun: An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others. There is no physical exertion in chess. Mental exertion does not Count as that would make crossword puzzles a sport.

well said

Sadly for your dictionary, Chess is a recognized sport by the International Olympic Committee with FIDE being the recognized International Sports Federation for chess since June 1999. And for the crossword part, solving crossword puzzles doesnt require strategy nor any kind of preparation and lacks anything thing to call it a sport. Following your train of thought then scratching my butt would be a sport because im phisically exerting my arm right?--If the brain is considered a muscle and can be trained like any other muscle, Then why if chess lets you train said muscle why can it be a sport?? not everything is about biceps,triceps and such.

fabelhaft
ivanx00 wrote:

"What is chess, do you think? Those who play for fun or not at all dismiss it as a game. The ones who devote their lives to it for the most part insist that it's a science. It's neither. Bobby Fischer got underneath it like no one before and found at its center, art."

-- Bruce Pandolfini, Searching for Bobby Fischer


Maybe that's more what Pandolfini would have liked Fischer to find than what Fischer himself found. :-) But Tal said that chess is first of all art, and Kasparov said something similar, while Spassky said that "chess is a game" and Lasker said "chess is only a game and not to be classed with science or the arts" so opinions differ also among the greatest.

eppopop

the brain a muscle?

elchris
eppopop wrote:

the brain a muscle?


Not that it is, i said considered a muscle. It is considered because of similarities between them althought it is an organ. The brain can be trained and there are various kinds of excersises for it which make it develop the trained area and there are others which help deter brain tissue decay. here are som of those excersises if you want to take a look at them.

http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/exercise.html

Peedee
Chess is a board game. It is not special. Go is far more complex than chess, yet go is not a sport. Neither is checkers, backgammon or cards. Online Video games make more money than chess, it's practitioners study the maps and practice and even get paid to play. Video games are not a sport. I'm actually in the process right now if settling this via a documentary short. 2 professors of sport Science in my area have agreed to speak with me so far as well as 2 uscf experts and a master. This should be interesting.
Peedee
And can we please stop mentioning that chess is recognized by the Olympics? Something is not a sport simply because the olympic committee says so. Quite obviously. Raquetball is NOT recognized as an Olympic sport. Anyone with a brain knows it is a sport. Rugby, mixed martial arts etc are Not recognized. Everyone knows they are sports. The Olympic committee does not determine what is or is not a sport.
Peedee
No Chris, that's not my dream. You are going to extremes. This idea that chess is a sport is so absurd to me that I cannot believe rational people would even consider it. And, like I've said before, I've had to listen to this nonsense for decades. And you guys wonder why the outside world considers chess players to be a bunch of oddballs....
eppopop

Maybe one should look up what the definition of sport is.

Sport is generally recognised as activities which are based in physical athleticism or physical dexterity, with the largest major competitions such as the Olympic Games admitting only sports meeting this definition,[3] and other organisations such as the Council of Europe using definitions precluding activities without a physical element from classification as sports.[2] However, a number of competitive, but non-physical, actvities claim recognition as mind sports. The International Olympic Committee (through ARISF) recognises both chess and bridge as bona fide sports, and SportAccord, the international sports federation association, recognises five non-physical sports,[4][5] although limits the amount of mind games which can be admitted as sports.

elchris
Peedee wrote:
And can we please stop mentioning that chess is recognized by the Olympics? Something is not a sport simply because the olympic committee says so. Quite obviously. Raquetball is NOT recognized as an Olympic sport. Anyone with a brain knows it is a sport. Rugby, mixed martial arts etc are Not recognized. Everyone knows they are sports. The Olympic committee does not determine what is or is not a sport.

And i should take your mindset just because you and two other people of your thinking are going to make a video?? these days that means squat anyone can get 2 or more friends to make a video and call it a "documentary", yet it is just that, the opinion of a group of people. Mixed martial arts and others might be sports but that does not make them "olympic sports", for that you need some requirements that you can (if you'd like) look up in the olympic charter, especially in mma theres no sportmanship whatsoever its just more like dog fights but with humans.

Peedee
You know nothing about MMA and it's sportsmanship. I am instructor. Don't embarrass yourself by speaking about things which you have no experience and no frame of reference.
eppopop

what do you know about mma and sportsmanship?

Peedee
And no you should not listen to 2 random people discuss what a sport is. That's not what I said I was doing however. I said 2 professors of sport science. Yes thy k ow more about sports than you do. Sometimes chess players spend so much time in their board games that they think they know more about a subject than someone who's life is dedicated to said subject. Odd.
bullethunder
Kennyrook wrote:

I think its a sport.ps stop tacking my ideas


Sorry, but I can do what I wantTongue out

Peedee
I know a lot about MMA and sportsmanship. I am an instructor and a black belt and have both competed and my student have competed in MMA, kickboxing, submission wrestling and karate. This is neither here nor there eppopop so I do t want to get I to here but if you want to speak to me privately you're welcome to.
eppopop

Not to worry, you can though but if you check to post's time you will see I was  addressing to the previous post. I do mma myself for years coming from judo to grappling and kick boxing to boxing, finally combining the lot and there is more sportmanship to find in mma than in chess and that's for sure.

AndyClifton
Peedee wrote:
And no you should not listen to 2 random people discuss what a sport is. That's not what I said I was doing however. I said 2 professors of sport science. 

lol...sounds pretty random to me. Wink

zborg

 I competed in both the NCAA Judo Championships and the New York Open Chess Tourney.  Both contests seemed rather sporting to me.

At least the Judo Championship took only two days, while the New York Open Chess Tourney was 12 hours per day, 4 days straight, and quite grueling.

bullethunder

MEEP.

pqbc18

everybody stop trying to be smart-a$$es and accept the fact that chess is a game.

eppopop

Maybe it comes down to the club, the country, the induvidual but at full contact sports I havent had the awkwardness of not greeting, nor have i had the insults like on chess.com, nor have I seen sulky faces after a training session or match, nor the problems of respect between the belts while at chess many high rated players do feel superior to the lower rated players but that's a different subject and all.