Is Collegiate Chess the Future for Spectators?

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royalbishop
AlCzervik wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

2.5 million compared to other championships is peanuts.

Elephants are commonly associated with peanuts. So are squirrels.

See?  I can make observations that don't follow the conversation as well.

Me, too.

Have you met the squirrel that lives my backyard and my neighbors? If it is not moving he/she will try it.

ivandh
waffllemaster a écrit :
AlCzervik wrote:

An interesting analogy (football). But, in the end, chess is not a game that draws people, no matter the level.

Yeah, the 2.5 million prize fund of the WCC materialized from nothing.

@OP
Interesting idea, it sounds good.

Both good points- I am thinking of it from the perspective of the broadcasters and sponsors, who seem to think they can get something out of it, and will probably look for alternatives if the major events keep turning into snoozefests. Whether that will make a difference is still in doubt.

royalbishop
ivandh wrote:
waffllemaster a écrit :
AlCzervik wrote:

An interesting analogy (football). But, in the end, chess is not a game that draws people, no matter the level.

Yeah, the 2.5 million prize fund of the WCC materialized from nothing.

@OP
Interesting idea, it sounds good.

Both good points- I am thinking of it from the perspective of the broadcasters and sponsors, who seem to think they can get something out of it, and will probably look for alternatives if the major events keep turning into snoozefests. Whether that will make a difference is still in doubt.

Want to have reach the next level.

It needs something drastic!

Carlsen taking a glove and lightly spaking Anand in the face

and says he wins in 8 games.

That would never happen even in this day. But something bold would have to happen like they were at the same restuarant and one opponent was showing off about how much money had and how he was getting better service. Or the company they were with got into a verbal arguement and each of them step into it they started to exchange heated words.

Bottom line .... drama always brings viewers. That is why sports will always make money as always some stuff is going on somewhere and some how with somebody over something. And the media has something to print up.

Vease
AlCzervik wrote:

I think it is a good analogy. College football is (many times) much more interesting than professional games. Those that actually like watching a chess match might be more compelled to watch the amateurs.

Still, the audience is small.

College Football has a huge audience because of A) Gambling and B) there is a huge pool of people who went to college and root for their old schools. All this worrying about making chess 'popular' is bizarre - why does it matter if most people don't care about the game?

royalbishop
Vease wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

I think it is a good analogy. College football is (many times) much more interesting than professional games. Those that actually like watching a chess match might be more compelled to watch the amateurs.

Still, the audience is small.

College Football has a huge audience because of A) Gambling and B) there is a huge pool of people who went to college and root for their old schools. All this worrying about making chess 'popular' is bizarre - why does it matter if most people don't care about the game?

$,$$$,$$$,$$$

rooperi
AlCzervik wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

2.5 million compared to other championships is peanuts.

Elephants are commonly associated with peanuts. So are squirrels. So is Jimmy Carter

See?  I can make observations that don't follow the conversation as well.

Me, too.

Anuone else?

royalbishop
chess_gg wrote:

ivandh wrote:

, such as discoweasel's helpful suggestions, instead of more whinging.

 

Stating that something is "crap" is not whinging.

Saying, tearfully: "Mommy, I don't want to eat that crap", is whinging.

As far as "helpful suggestions", there are none on this subject matter. What we need is less crap and better "world class" chess play.

And, no, chess will never be a spectator sport for the general public. We are in a niche market. Most people, college students especially, would rather sit on the grass and watch an ant colony carrying dead fly parts to their ant hill.

 

Aint that the truth Ruth - famous quote (first heard it from Will Smith)

                                   - but he is not the one that made it famous

royalbishop
chess_gg wrote:

Hmmm...I don't recall hearing what I said from anyone, and I was "speaking on the fly" (pun).

i can help you out.  You said Anand wants to draw  all the way to the last game and win the last game. It may be possible that Anand skill level is on the decline rapidly. Playing like this is fruitless and will carry out into the rest of his games remaining in his decaying career.

ivandh
chess_gg a écrit :

ivandh wrote:

, such as discoweasel's helpful suggestions, instead of more whinging.

 

Stating that something is "crap" is not whinging.

Saying, tearfully: "Mommy, I don't want to eat that crap", is whinging.

As far as "helpful suggestions", there are none on this subject matter. What we need is less crap and better "world class" chess play.

And, no, chess will never be a spectator sport for the general public. We are in a niche market. Most people, college students especially, would rather sit on the grass and watch an ant colony carrying dead fly parts to their ant hill.

Righto, well thanks for eventually providing some input. The idea was to generate some creative thinking in a new direction, not to rehash yet again whether the WC match so far should be considered boring, as you seem to have initially assumed. If, instead of getting ants in your pants, you had kept your head and read past the first line of the OP, you would not have found the disdain that you spent several paragraphs ranting about, and could have saved yourself some time and peace of mind.

rooperi a écrit :
AlCzervik wrote:
waffllemaster wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

2.5 million compared to other championships is peanuts.

Elephants are commonly associated with peanuts. So are squirrels. So is Jimmy Carter. So is Charlie Brown.

See?  I can make observations that don't follow the conversation as well.

Me, too.

Anuone else?

Good grief!

waffllemaster

There are trolls, and then there are people who troll without realizing it...

ivandh
royalbishop a écrit :
Vease wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

I think it is a good analogy. College football is (many times) much more interesting than professional games. Those that actually like watching a chess match might be more compelled to watch the amateurs.

Still, the audience is small.

College Football has a huge audience because of A) Gambling and B) there is a huge pool of people who went to college and root for their old schools. All this worrying about making chess 'popular' is bizarre - why does it matter if most people don't care about the game?

$,$$$,$$$,$$$

This, or at least, some idiot thinks they can get some money out of it. I doubt that chess will be much more popular than say curling, but obviously there are some people out there who want to popularize it, and I am speculating how they might go about it if nothing continues to happen in the WC match.

I think for a handful of schools, it would be possible to cultivate a certain following, again playing on the alumni factor and school spirit to get people to care.

netzach

Will there be cheerleaders?

NomadicKnight
ivandh wrote:

Seeing quite a few people whinging about the quick draws, it seems the tremendous skill of the WC contenders is a turn-off for casual spectators. At that level it is simply too dangerous to play more than one or two exciting games in a 12-game match.

Ruminations on how best to alleviate this reminded me of my own opinion about American football, which is that the pros, where players are much more talented and better at shutting down risky play, are less exciting than their relatively inexperienced counterparts at the college level, where I've seen all kinds of crazy plays that have worked out. The comparative lack of talent opens up the field for more creativity, risk-taking, and excitement.

I wonder if broadcasters will come to a similar conclusion and start pushing lower-level (especially collegiate) events, drawing on excitement and school spirit rather than sheer talent. Just a thought from a brain on too much caffeine and not enough sleep.

I like your comparison of college football vs. pro league. I agree, there's much more action at the college level. Your opinion is similiar to one I posted earlier in another thread regarding the WC match where I compared Carlsen and Anand to heavyweight boxers. You don't see a lot of "scrapping" and fast action among heavyweight fighters because one powerful punch or combo is all it takes to knock your opponent out, so it's more about finessing the other guy. The welterweights and featherweights, in my opinion, make for a much more exciting match because the contenders really tear into each other.