Is it bad etiquette to force a draw by repetition?

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romanrog23

So I was losing a game pretty badly and i was able to sacrifice my knight and bishop and then force the king into check with only one open square. I did this back and forth until it ended the game by repetition. I really would like to know if this is something I shouldn't do. I knew I couldn't win but I don't know enough about chess to know if this is in bad taste. Thanks for the help. 

blueemu

Of course it isn't bad etiquette. 

If there was a way for you to force a draw, then in what sense were you "losing the game"?

Strangemover

Come on man, you've been a member for over 12 years and have played over 5000 games on this site. Need to be more original if you have nothing to say but still want to type words into the ether. And to any beginners that might read this it is absolutely correct to force the draw in these circumstances and no breach of etiquette whatsoever. 

Alramech
romanrog23 wrote:

So I was losing a game pretty badly and i was able to sacrifice my knight and bishop and then force the king into check with only one open square. I did this back and forth until it ended the game by repetition. I really would like to know if this is something I shouldn't do. I knew I couldn't win but I don't know enough about chess to know if this is in bad taste. Thanks for the help. 

This is not bad etiquette - a forced repetition is a good strategy to get a draw out of an otherwise lost position.  In short, it is part of the game!  If you or another player are looking to win, then you will have to also ensure the other player cannot force a repetition.

 

romanrog23

I had blundered several pieces and he had my king under heavy attack. I had to sacrifice my remaining knight and bishop so I could put him into check repeatedly with my queen. I didn't have enough left to get the win. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't being a poor sport. My opponent was not pleased and let me know in the chat. But if this is not bad etiquette then I'll look to get more draws in games where I've blundered (which is most of them). 

romanrog23
Strangemover wrote:

Come on man, you've been a member for over 12 years and have played over 5000 games on this site. Need to be more original if you have nothing to say but still want to type words into the ether. And to any beginners that might read this it is absolutely correct to force the draw in these circumstances and no breach of etiquette whatsoever. 

It was a sincere question. Do you wanna go look at how many games I've played that have ended in a draw?? Not many. This is also the only question I have ever asked in 12 years. It is people like you that make forums so toxic. Do you just scroll through forum questions looking for one to jump one with what you perceive to be a clever attack. You must be fun at parties lol ... sorry I asked one question in 12 years. How dare I ... good that we have you the forum police. 

Strangemover
romanrog23 wrote:
Strangemover wrote:

Come on man, you've been a member for over 12 years and have played over 5000 games on this site. Need to be more original if you have nothing to say but still want to type words into the ether. And to any beginners that might read this it is absolutely correct to force the draw in these circumstances and no breach of etiquette whatsoever. 

It was a sincere question. Do you wanna go look at how many games I've played that have ended in a draw?? Not many. This is also the only question I have ever asked in 12 years. It is people like you that make forums so toxic. Do you just scroll through forum questions looking for one to jump one with what you perceive to be a clever attack. You must be fun at parties lol ... sorry I asked one question in 12 years. How dare I ... good that we have you the forum police. 

Not really a 'toxic' response that I gave there was it? 12 years, 5000 games and you don't know if you're breaking some kind of unwritten rule by forcing a draw when the alternative is losing? Really? I'm not the forum police, just someone who regularly responds to beginners - the type of people who might ask the same question as you but not know the answer because they've been playing chess for 12 days, not 12 years. But yeah, people like me spreading toxicity all over the site... 

LeeEuler

Not bad etiquette at all. It is a nice defensive resource.

Lobster62

Draw by repetition of moves(perpetual check, 3-peat of position) - not bad etiquette.

 

 Draw by repetition of moves ( sending Panzer divisions into Belgium to bypass the Maginot Line) - pretty sure it's bad etiquette.

 

SirRiffsAlot

I find it really boring and cowardly.. especially at low ratings, so I never do it. I try to mix it up instead, sacrifice a piece or something, keep it interesting, instead of pulling the lame moves over and over. Also goes for when I'm facing someone else that's trying to force a draw on me when I have the upper hand.. I just do something else like my latest game right now, and he wound up winning cause I kinda lost interest in the game shortly after.

Not a chess wiz or anything, I just find it kind of lame.

Hoffmann713
SirRiffsAlot ha scritto:

I find it really boring and cowardly.. (...) Also goes for when I'm facing someone else that's trying to force a draw on me when I have the upper hand.. .

Just yesterday I played a game that I was winning but it ended in a draw due to repetition. My opponent wasn't a coward, he was instead good at resolving a game that was going badly for him, taking advantage of one of the game’s resources.

Why cowardice ? In chess there are three possible outcomes: victory, defeat, draw. Forcing your opponent to draw can also be a great solution when things go badly. It's your merit if you impose it, not a demerit.

KieferSmith

Drawing by repetition isn't bad etiquette, and neither are stalemate traps or 50-move rule. They are all perfectly legal and good ways to snatch a draw in an otherwise losing position.

a3353446

This is absolutely NOT bad etiquette; instead, it vividly demonstrates your phenomenal calculation ability and insightfulness.

OdinInValhalla
Not cowardice but does seem lame given that the main reason for the rule (as it is typically explained) is to prevent a game from going on indefinitely. Why should there be this loophole to exploit when you’ve failed thus far to gain an advantage? I guess it is a reason to keep playing even when you are down material. If this is the case, this should be the reason given when explaining the rule-one last chance to save face.
DoYouLikeCurry
Not bad etiquette at all, if the opponent complains, they shouldn’t have let you force a draw!
ChessMasteryOfficial

Forcing a draw by repetition is a perfectly legitimate and common part of chess.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

This is even more ridiculous than the stalemate threads, if your king is able to be perpetually checked, then you weren't winning. If you had an extra queen and rook but your position was so bad that your opponent was able to force a checkmate with 2 bishops and a knight, you also weren't winning. 

uri65
OdinInValhalla wrote:
Not cowardice but does seem lame given that the main reason for the rule (as it is typically explained) is to prevent a game from going on indefinitely. Why should there be this loophole to exploit when you’ve failed thus far to gain an advantage? I guess it is a reason to keep playing even when you are down material. If this is the case, this should be the reason given when explaining the rule-one last chance to save face.

It’s not lame, not a loophole and not about saving your face.

It’s about getting the best possible outcome in given circumstances. It’s a true sportsmanship.

No side can force a checkmate -> no side has an advantage. The draw is the most logical outcome.

Mittens742689

#1 no,not at all.forcing draws in otherwise losing positions and stalemates and draw offers in worse or losing positions and thrash talking to distract your opponent and staring at people to distract them are all parts of chess

009k-k

I believe it was a good decision to force a draw. Theoretically, you got out of a losing position and didn't lose elo.