Is Judit Polgar the best chess player ever?

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AussieMatey

You no Clever O a k nifeful of scalps don't make her the best.

Ghost_Horse0
CleverOak wrote:

She beat Kasparov Karpov, and Carlsen,

is there any arguments to be made against her that she is not the best?

i am by no means a Judit Polgár fan, however I am confused of her not being crowned the worlds best player.

Pretty sure she never beat Kasparov in a classical game.

Carlsen either.

So

 

CleverOak wrote:

Is Judit Polgar the best chess player ever?

Compared to what? A tree?

CleverOak

A clever oak tree!

Ghost_Horse0
minorjointwill wrote:
Ghost_Horse0 wrote:
CleverOak wrote:

She beat Kasparov Karpov, and Carlsen,

is there any arguments to be made against her that she is not the best?

i am by no means a Judit Polgár fan, however I am confused of her not being crowned the worlds best player.

Pretty sure she never beat Kasparov in a classical game.

Carlsen either.

So

 

CleverOak wrote:

Is Judit Polgar the best chess player ever?

Compared to what? A tree?

no compared to you

So I'm a candidate for the best player ever? I don't even have a title.

I tried to get a discount title, but they said I didn't qualify because I didn't have boobs.

Maybe Judit will have better luck than me when she applies for a discount to the "best player ever" award.

blueemu
Ghost_Horse0 wrote:

I tried to get a discount title, but they said I didn't qualify because I didn't have boobs.

At least they were up front about it.

... up front... *nudge*nudge*wink*wink*

jsaepuru
CleverOak wrote:

She beat Kasparov Karpov, and Carlsen,

is there any arguments to be made against her that she is not the best?

i am by no means a Judit Polgár fan, however I am confused of her not being crowned the worlds best player.

Easy and elementary.

She sometimes beat them in games. But she lost to them more often than she won them. She never won them in a multigame world championship challenge.

In 2005, she got to a world championship tournament, among 8 candidates. She finished last of 8, with 4,5 points of 1 win (over Kasimdzhanov), 6 losses and 7 draws, behind Kasimdzhanov and Adams who shared 6-7 position with 5,5 points.

The tournament was won by Topalov, who got 10 points, undefeated, 6 wins 8 draws, ahead of Anand and Svidler who shared position 2-3 with 8,5 points, That made Topalov Champion.

Had Polgar Judit won the tournament, it would have made her the first woman World Chess Champion. But would not have made her the best chess player ever, any more than Topalov was, or Euwe or Tal had been.

 

CleverOak

What happend to people thinking Fischer was the goat?

Lord-Of-The-Fleaz

he still is.

CleverOak

Ok thank you. I was just confused and this thread has informed me about stuff that I didn’t know before!

jsaepuru
CleverOak wrote:

What happend to people thinking Fischer was the goat?

Yes, since Elo came out, unofficial worldwide lists begin in 1969.

Before that... Who was better, Fischer or Morphy?

blueemu
minorjointwill wrote:

what the heck what do boobs have to do with a discount title

The rating qualifications for Women's titles (WGM, WIM, etc) are lower than for the corresponding Men's titles (GM, IM, etc). Add to that the known fact that women have boobs, and the correlation becomes clear.

CleverOak
9497010838 wrote:
Is there a “glass ceiling” in chess tournament play?

No!

Lord-Of-The-Fleaz

i taught i taw a puddy tat!

dm-me-karpovs-feet

Polgar defeated 15 people simul blindfold when she was a kid, and is considered one of the best female players to have ever lived. Potential was something she had plenty of. Sadly she only defeated Kasparov once I believe and Kaspy got her good the other dozen games so yeah not much of a good score for Polgar. Kasparov was practically winning all the tournaments he attended to in the 90s and had to hold against Kramnik, Anand, Ivanchuk, etc. He was a machine and he also had almost incredible memory, there was even some documentary explaining he could remember every single number and sequence put to him since he was a child, so he was prodigious mentally and there's claims of high IQ on him.

He's also one of the few chess world champions that actually can speak articulate in interviews, all the other ones have been a bit awkward and introverted (or psycothic with prejudice against jews)

CleverOak
MMTMIT wrote:
dm-me-karpovs-feet wrote:

Polgar defeated 15 people simul blindfold when she was a kid, and is considered one of the best female players to have ever lived. Potential was something she had plenty of. Sadly she only defeated Kasparov once I believe and Kaspy got her good the other dozen games so yeah not much of a good score for Polgar. Kasparov was practically winning all the tournaments he attended to in the 90s and had to hold against Kramnik, Anand, Ivanchuk, etc. He was a machine and he also had almost incredible memory, there was even some documentary explaining he could remember every single number and sequence put to him since he was a child, so he was prodigious mentally and there's claims of high IQ on him.

He's also one of the few chess world champions that actually can speak articulate in interviews, all the other ones have been a bit awkward and introverted (or psycothic with prejudice against jews)

Kasparov has an IQ of 190. No wonder he is such a genius. 

Yes Kasparov is amazing. Magnus is out of this world.

CleverOak

Also Polgar’s IQ is 170. 

dm-me-karpovs-feet

I agree, Magnus is better. but does not have the passion his predecessors (Fischer and Kasparov) had. I am of the idea that if Magnus had that raging fire like them - that INSANE obsession of spending sleepless nights analysing and analysing, and studying and studying and STUDYING even more like Kaspy and Fischer did psychotically back then; Magnus would be winning every single tournament he touched like Kaspy in the 90s but in today's age. Sadly Magnus has not truly awaken. This is all my opinion though. Magnus was born in the era of "comfortable" of Instagram, of travel the world and watch Netflix and play football with his norwegian friends instead of being obsessed about chess variations. That is why, he will never be like them. It's not his fault... really. It was easier to make chess your biggest raging passion back in the earlier decades than it is now in the 21st century.

CleverOak
dm-me-karpovs-feet wrote:

I agree, Magnus is better. but does not have the passion his predecessors (Fischer and Kasparov) had. I am of the idea that if Magnus had that raging fire like them - that INSANE obsession of spending sleepless nights analysing and analysing, and studying and studying and STUDYING even more like Kaspy and Fischer did psychotically back then; Magnus would be winning every single tournament he touched like Kaspy in the 90s but in today's age. Sadly Magnus has not awaken really. This is all my opinion though.

Only time will tell.

MorphysMayhem
Lord_Hammer wrote:

This is wrong. 

It is between Kasparov, Fischer, Magnus, and Karpov. 

You must include capablanca in order for your comment to be taken seriously.

RussBell

A nice article about Judit Polgar's chess career...

Judit Polgar: the greatest prodigy ever

http://en.chessbase.com/post/judit-polgar-the-greatest-prodigy-ever