is Naiditsch gonna be the next WC now he beat carlsen?

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GM_Siegfried

so it seems like magnus time is over isn't it?

i mean, Naiditsch clearly owned him and showed superior chess skills. I am already waiting for their title match.

Sheldor66

Sorry Siggi, but this is the totally wrong conclusion of the result of this game. You can't say that najditsch is the better chess player because he just won one game against the world champion. The result of one game depends on the daily form and in a wordl champion match carlsen would crush naijditsch because he is simply the better player (nevertheless naijditsch is quite strong). Furthermore, If you would have seen the game completely with a little bit chess skills you would know that carlsen was clearly better in the early middlegame (don't understand me wrong, naijditsch played quite well and deserves the win and I'm glad that he won because I'm German too but your conclusion is completely wrong).

GM_Siegfried

please tell me more, i don't quite understand

blueemu

Anyone can beat anyone in a single game.

I had Tal totally busted in a simul game in '88. The only way he could wiggle out was to pick up a chess clock, set it for five minutes each, set it down beside the board, and start it running. This seemed a little unfair to me, considering that he had won the World Blitz Championship earlier that same week.

In time-pressure, I let the win slip away, but still managed to DRAW.

One or two losses to a particular opponent means nothing.

Sheldor66

By following your argumentation, the logical conclusion would be that Naijditsch plays against Ivan Saric (2670) for the world championsship because he beaten carlsen, too? I think this losss against this semi-strong grandmaster perfectly illustrates that carlsen has just a weak form instead of being seriously worse than a usual 2680 grandmaster.

GM_Siegfried

tell me more about semi-strong grandmasters, you seem to be the expert on it.

mowque
blueemu wrote:

Anyone can beat anyone in a single game.

I had Tal totally busted in a simul game in '88. The only way he could wiggle out was to pick up a chess clock, set it for five minutes each, set it down beside the board, and start it running. This seemed a little unfair to me, considering that he had won the World Blitz Championship earlier that same week.

In time-pressure, I let the win slip away, but still managed to DRAW.

One or two losses to a particular opponent means nothing.

Now THAT is an intimidating set of events!

Sheldor66
GM_Siegfried hat geschrieben:

tell me more about semi-strong grandmasters, you seem to be the expert on it.

Oh, I wouldn't say that I'm an expert regarding semi-strong grandmasters. It isn't very difficult to understand that Magnus Carlsen is still number one of the world since someone is able to beat him in a world championsship, eventhough you seem to have some problems by understanding this simple fact.

blueemu
mowque wrote:
blueemu wrote:

Anyone can beat anyone in a single game.

I had Tal totally busted in a simul game in '88. The only way he could wiggle out was to pick up a chess clock, set it for five minutes each, set it down beside the board, and start it running. This seemed a little unfair to me, considering that he had won the World Blitz Championship earlier that same week.

In time-pressure, I let the win slip away, but still managed to DRAW.

One or two losses to a particular opponent means nothing.

Now THAT is an intimidating set of events!

To add to the pressure, Karpov was standing DIRECTLY behind me, watching the game over my shoulder and quietly exchanging comments... presumably in Russian, but all I heard were sub-vocal mutters... with a big guy (Djindjashvili?) standing beside him. Pressure? What pressure?

I think I did pretty well to draw that game.

This simul took place during the World Chess Festival in 1988. The World Blitz Championship and one round of the Candidates Matches were included in the program, which explains the presence of big stars like Tal and Karpov.

mowque

Do you have a record of the game? 

blueemu

I used to... I even bought the paper board and plastic pieces, right on the spot, and got Tal to sign the board.

... but I've moved house four times since 1988, and the current location of the score-sheet is a mystery.

I played a sicilian najdorf against him as black (why not?). He sacrificed two pieces for what looked like certain mate; but I found a crazy interference combo, dropping a Rook undefended on the square where his Rook and Bishop's lines crossed... if he took it with his Rook that obstructed his Bishop long enough for my King to bail out, and vice-versa. We ended up in an endgame, my K+R+P+P+P (only) vs his K+N+B (only).

... then he brought out the chess clock... all the other simul games had finished by then, and I suppose he wanted the simul over so that he could go have a drink.

blueemu
rdecredico wrote:

Troll factor -2

The OP? Or me? Or both?

TBentley

Naiditsch lost to Kasimdzhanov, who lost to Nakamura, so I guess he should be world champion. Starting from Saric (Zhigalko, Megaranto, Gelfand), Giri is another possibility, and there's a loop between Topalov, Vallejo-Pons, and Kramnik. (I wasted too much time on a joke.)

YohannaShavit

And don't forget that carlsen also lost to that Finish guy at the start of the olympiad ;) ,but I'm pretty sure carlsen will play Anand in September just as planned ;)

blueemu
rdecredico wrote:
blueemu wrote:
rdecredico wrote:

Troll factor -2

The OP? Or me? Or both?

Thread starter.

That's what I meant by OP (= Original Poster or Original Post)

fabelhaft

"And don't forget that carlsen also lost to that Finish guy at the start of the olympiad ;)"

I must have missed that :-)

YohannaShavit
fabelhaft wrote:

"And don't forget that carlsen also lost to that Finish guy at the start of the olympiad ;)"

 

I must have missed that :-)

excuse me it was a draw I made a mistake

DjonniDerevnja

Naiditsch and Saric are very strong Grandmasters. I havnt looked at the Naiditschgame, but I watched Saric closely. To beat Saric you have to be spot on, but Magnus was going to sharp and thoght he made some sacrifices that should give him strong play. The problem was that Saric defended brilliant.

I think that the difference between those GM´s and Carlsen is less than we think, but Carlsen has an edge, and might be the best endgameplayer in the world. If he plays 9 games, he will do mistakes maybe in 3 games, and if he meets Saric he will be punished for the mistake. Saric will also make mistakes in some games. Saric is on the way up, and I think we will see him more often in the superelitetournaments. I hope he soon will go above 2700.

Debistro

YohannaShavit wrote:

fabelhaft wrote:

"And don't forget that carlsen also lost to that Finish guy at the start of the olympiad ;)"

 

I must have missed that :-)

excuse me it was a draw I made a mistake

Everyone forgot about this too. Nybek is only 2500 GM but drew Carlsen. I remember Carlsen lost many points on this draw. Carlsen should have lost to Dragan Solak and Caruana too. He really was lucky in both games....

Superqueen500
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