Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player can beat a 2700 rated player?

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DjonniDerevnja
JeffGreen333 wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
My point, in this whole debate, is that 1300 fide is a lot harder to beat than most non-otb tournamentplayers thinks. 1300 fide is ca the same strenght as 1700 online-chess.com. Of course 1300 is far too far away from 2700, but they are strong.

I wouldn't go that far.  Maybe a 1300 FIDE is about 1450-1500 on chess.com (Glicko).   Kids are usually much better than their ratings are though, since they improve faster than their ratings can keep up with.  So, he might be a 1700 Glicko player by now, this is true.  

I am  a middleaged 1465 Fide, and 1720 online. I feel my chances are much better against 1600 online than 1300 fide longchess. 

You are right about those kids playing better than their rating. I was very happy when I defeated that 14 yo 1345 on sunday. Except for his endgame he felt like 1600+.

JeffGreen333
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:

I wouldn't go that far.  Maybe a 1300 FIDE is about 1450-1500 on chess.com (Glicko).   Kids are usually much better than their ratings are though, since they improve faster than their ratings can keep up with.  So, he might be a 1700 Glicko player by now, this is true.  

I am  a middleaged 1465 Fide, and 1720 online. I feel my chances are much better against 1600 online than 1300 fide longchess. 

You are right about those kids playing better than their rating. I was very happy when I defeated that 14 yo 1345 on sunday. Except for his endgame he felt like 1600+.

Well, the endgame is a big part of chess, especially when you move up in class.  So, if his endgame is weak, that might explain why he's only rated 1300 FIDE.   Ratings are accelerated on chess.com though, because of two factors:  1. Most people play a lot more games on here than they play OTB tournament games, so their rating is more up to date.  2. The Glicko (chess.com) rating system allows for larger and quicker changes in your rating, compared to FIDE, USCF or ELO.   I am a 1470 USCF player, but my actual playing strength now is probably around 1700-1800.  None of my ratings have caught up to my current strength yet, since I study chess more than I play these days.  I don't pay too much attention to a player's rating when I decide on my opening or my style of play though.   A Grandmaster could be playing his very first game on chess.com and still be rated at 1200.   So, I certainly don't take any 1200's lightly.   

Elubas

"I am a 1470 USCF player, but my actual playing strength now is probably around 1700-1800."

And I'm an expert but my playing strength is probably as if I were an international master.

DjonniDerevnja
JeffGreen333 wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
JeffGreen333 wrote:

I wouldn't go that far.  Maybe a 1300 FIDE is about 1450-1500 on chess.com (Glicko).   Kids are usually much better than their ratings are though, since they improve faster than their ratings can keep up with.  So, he might be a 1700 Glicko player by now, this is true.  

I am  a middleaged 1465 Fide, and 1720 online. I feel my chances are much better against 1600 online than 1300 fide longchess. 

You are right about those kids playing better than their rating. I was very happy when I defeated that 14 yo 1345 on sunday. Except for his endgame he felt like 1600+.

Well, the endgame is a big part of chess, especially when you move up in class.  So, if his endgame is weak, that might explain why he's only rated 1300 FIDE

His endgame was not close to the very good openingplay and fine middlegame. I think that goes for many kids. If they play a lot blitz, the openings gets a lot work, and the games are often finished or decided on time before a long endgame.  A 1300 is often a good player with large holes in the reportoire. My opponent will grow a lot strenght working on the endgame.

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aj415

www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-to-thread-how-to-scalp-players-rated-230022002100-2000-as-a-1300

how about 2300??!

DjonniDerevnja
Lasker1900 wrote:

The fact that 2700-rated grandmasters routinely run up 100% scores in simultaneous exhibitions against 30 or more 1500-2000 rated players might give you some hint

I dont think all the 2700s is capable of 100% simultanscores every day. When GM Jon Ludvig Hammer was at 2700 or 2695 he played simultan in my club. His score was 11,5-1,5 against the kids (rating from none to 2100), and 18-4 against the adults (rating ca 1200-2100). The winning kid was Timur Gusarev, unrated, maybe nine years old.

Even Magnus can lose in simultan. He lost to  Jens Erik Rudolph (1891) in a 70 game simultan.

http://www.nordstrandsjakk.no/?p=3366

aj415
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
Lasker1900 wrote:

The fact that 2700-rated grandmasters routinely run up 100% scores in simultaneous exhibitions against 30 or more 1500-2000 rated players might give you some hint

I dont think all the 2700s is capable of 100% similtanscores. When GM Jon Ludvig Hammer was at 2700 or 2695 he played simultan in my club. His score was 11,5-1,5 against the kids (rating from none to 2100), and 18-4 against the adults (rating ca 1200-2100). The winning kid was Timur Gusarev, unrated, maybe nine years old.

http://www.nordstrandsjakk.no/?p=3366

Well being unrated we don't know what his strength actually was so thats a wildcard but good link very insightful. pretty cool

coicidiently before someone bumped this thread I just made a thread on this topic since i am only rated 1300 but i compiled my best wins on here over 2000+ including a 2300 an IM and a CM in blitz . check it out and leave a comment!

www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-to-thread-how-to-scalp-players-rated-230022002100-2000-as-a-1300

DjonniDerevnja
aj415 wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
Lasker1900 wrote:

The fact that 2700-rated grandmasters routinely run up 100% scores in simultaneous exhibitions against 30 or more 1500-2000 rated players might give you some hint

I dont think all the 2700s is capable of 100% similtanscores. When GM Jon Ludvig Hammer was at 2700 or 2695 he played simultan in my club. His score was 11,5-1,5 against the kids (rating from none to 2100), and 18-4 against the adults (rating ca 1200-2100). The winning kid was Timur Gusarev, unrated, maybe nine years old.

http://www.nordstrandsjakk.no/?p=3366

Well being unrated we don't know what his strength actually was so thats a wildcard but good link very insightful. pretty cool

coicidiently before someone bumped this thread I just made a thread on this topic since i am only rated 1300 but i compiled my best wins on here over 2000+ including a 2300 an IM and a CM in blitz . check it out and leave a comment!

www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-to-thread-how-to-scalp-players-rated-230022002100-2000-as-a-1300

It was very unexcpected that Timur was the one to take him down. Timur is a smart little kid, but there were stronger kids that lost.

It was impressing that Hammer was able to defeat Andreas Garberg Tryggestad in a simultan. The next year they met in a lonchessgame at Arendal Grand Prix, and it was a draw. In that tournament Andreas, Jon Ludvig and GM Kjetil Lie was top three , undefeated with 4 points each.

I guess Hammer put so much energy against the superkids, that to little focus was left for the smallest.

A nine year old unrated kid is absolutetly strong enough to punish a blunder in the late middlegame and set a mate in three, no matter how strong the GM is. 

DjonniDerevnja
Lasker1900 wrote:

I had the pleasure of watching GM Nakamura sweep a field of 38 players, most of them rated quite a bit over 1300, in about two hours. In the opening, he took about 5 seconds at each board, yet at least 10 of his opponents were in serious trouble before move 10. The difference in class was overwhelming.

Many GMs play second best moves in simuls, to give the kids a chance. This is very sporting, and I applaud it, but it does distort the results

Nakamura, Carlsen and Gristchuk are very difficult to beat in simultans, that for them has blitztimecontrols and long or rapid for the opponents. They are the best blitzers, and plays blitz att master longchess-strenght.

aj415

well 1300 beating 2000's 2100's 2200's 2300's in casual online blitz/bullet

www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-to-thread-how-to-scalp-players-rated-230022002100-2000-as-a-1300

GodsPawn2016
aj415 wrote:

well 1300 beating 2000's 2100's 2200's 2300's in casual online blitz/bullet

www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-to-thread-how-to-scalp-players-rated-230022002100-2000-as-a-1300

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aj415
GodsPawn2016 wrote:
aj415 wrote:

well 1300 beating 2000's 2100's 2200's 2300's in casual online blitz/bullet

www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/how-to-thread-how-to-scalp-players-rated-230022002100-2000-as-a-1300

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 linking to that thread directly answers and contributes to the content and subject of this thread. It is 100 percent relevant and provides a little examples of the exact topic. If i link to it a few times it just because i know people don't usually read more then the last post especially in a 6 year old thread. 

Now that all that has been explained, where do i report you for being a j@ckass

Elubas

"Depends on the time control, in a long game forget it even a 2300 stands no chance in hell."

The 2300 absolutely has a chance in hell. I'm sure it's happened numerous times. Though at the higher levels draws are much more common; a 2300's chance of drawing a 2700 isn't even that bad.

DjonniDerevnja
tob1a5 wrote:

Depends on the time control, in a long game forget it even a 2300 stands no chance in hell. In blitz you can also forget it unless you're at least 2300 strength. 1300 is a disgusting rating and only inches away from being almost beginner level.

I think a 2300 has good chances against a 2700.  The 2700 more often will win, there will be a lot of draws, and some times the 2300 will win. Imagine the 2700 playing with black against the 2300. Not easy at all. 

DjonniDerevnja
tob1a5 wrote:

Ok maybe 2300 but not 2100 or below

The kids does some bad and some fantastic tournaments. Andreas Garberg Tryggestad and Tor Fredrik Kaasen are all over the 2100-2400 ratinglist. I think Tor Fredrik dropped all the way down to  1927  right before Oslo Chess Festival, and then he suddendly jumped to  2389 and took an IM-bite. He took fifth place , behind three GMs and in front of 5 GMs and a lot other players.

http://tournamentservice.com/standings.aspx?TID=OsloChessFestival-Masters2016-NordstrandSjakklubb_2

seanysean2

I actually once beat a GM by checkmate.

benbenn
seanysean2 wrote:

I actually once beat a GM by checkmate.

you have?

Wind

Why is this thread still alive?

Someone please close this.

greenibex

i once drew a GM.  The picture won second place in my art class