Just saw Pawn Sacrifice, absolutely dreadful.

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Dolphin27

I just saw the movie pawn sacrifice and I hated it. Here's why.

1. Boris Spassky towers over Fischer in the movie, it looks like Spassky is a football player and Fischer is a geek about to get a wedgie. They really make Spassky seem like a mean "tough guy" type.

2. The portrayal of Bobby Fischer is a caricature, yes Fischer was paranoid, but the way he's portrayed in the movie makes him seem 100x more obnoxious than he ever was in real life, in the movie, he's always yelling about something. Even the way he talks in the movie as a kid is  snobbish and brattish, not like the documentary footage I've seen. At the end they use a few real life soundbytes of him as an old man, probably the craziest soundbytes they could find, to make it seem like the caricature is real. Fischer wasn't nearly as unlikable as they make him seem in this film. The real Fischer had at least some degree of charisma, and wasn't always screaming about things and being a brat. It's like they took the paranoid, pompous side of him and made that into ALL that he was.

3. The cinematograhy itself was awful. The camera work seemed jumbled, and the editing was always cutting from one thing to the next. The music bombards the veiwer, at times I felt like I was watching idiotic music videos on VH1.

4. The actual chess is brushed aside. Chess is not central to this story, chess is used as a cardboard background prop in order to show the extreme drama of Fischer as they've created him.

5. The movie implies that chess is a game that makes people crazy. The movie tells us that Morphy killed himself because of chess. At one point one of the characters remarks "there's a billion possibilities to consider, more than the stars in the galazy, it's really easy to go off the deep end" at the end the Fischer caraciture tells us "They say there's so many possibilities, but there's always only ever one right move. In the end, there's  nowhere to go."

I rate movies on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the worst and 10 the best. If I give a movie a 5, it means the movie is just barely good enough for me to keep watching it to the end. I give Pawn Sacrifice a 1, and I would have walked out of the theater had I been watching it alone. It's not just that it's a bad movie, it's a movie that I think is actually harmful and misrepresents the game of chess in a negative way.

NativeChessMinerals

I just saw it too, maybe an hour ago. I liked it. Maybe because I know the real story (and I can play chess?), the first half seemed somehow choppy to me... it didn't really draw me in. There were a few times I was very aware I was watching a movie (instead of being lost in the drama).

But I was able to get into the 2nd half, and ended up enjoying it good amount... maybe 3.5 out of 5, something like this.

1. I didn't notice the geek vs tough guy thing. I did notice Spassky's character wasn't well developed, and he came off a little too cold / mean ot me (as you say).

2. I did think Fischer's character was a little flat, but excuse it because it's a 2 hour movie and you have to have the usual mechanisms of sotrytelling. But real life? I don't know, I never talked to the guy. In real life he seemed to drive away most / all of his friends. Craziest soundbites? No, not nearly. I thought they were good at using some pretty PG and PC soundbites. You've obviously never heard... well, just about anything you can find of him in his later years.

3. I noticed this during the first half (the camera). However I thought the music was fine. In fact I thought they didn't use it enough Tongue Out

4. Of course chess has to be a tool for the storytelling. I was impressed they used real positions and the drama centered around actual drama of real moves (like BxN in game 3). I don't know what GMs at the time thought, but I know the first time I played through the game I was thinking wow, this really looks bad for black!

5. It implies super genius struggles with insanity. The only players you see or hear about acting crazy are super-world class (Morphy, Fischer, Spassky).

Fischer tells us "They say there's so many possibilities, but there's always only ever one right move. In the end, there's nowhere to go."

I thought this was a powerful line. It had nothing to do with chess, this was insight into the developing madness of the character. He felt he had no choices (in life) he felt trapped.

Another powerful line I liked was when the lawyer says "He's afraid of what will happen if he loses" and the priest responds "No, he's afraid of what will happen if he wins."

And as we know from real life, he won, and his life fell apart. He lost all purpose, he felt he had nowhere to go. Both figuratively and later literally when he was a fugitive hopping from country to country.

PeskyGnat
Dolphin27 wrote:

I would have walked out of the theater had I been watching it alone.

I would like to see it, if I convince my wife to see it with me..would I be trapped into watching the whole thing if at one point I wanted to leave? :)

PeskyGnat

Then again, we see so many bad films, we always stick it out to the end no matter what!  

Dolphin27

Just to give you a idea of what this movie is like, at one point they have the song "Human Behavior" by Bjork play as they do a montage of Toby McGuire-Fischer doing a talkshow circuit saying things like Fischer used to (but again exaggerated, imagine Fischer's one comment about deflating peoples egos multiplied by ten) intermixed with random jerky shots of Fischer tearing his hotel room apart looking for wiretaps. All the while this Bjork song is playing, then they  switch to a rock n roll song and start showing a montage of random people holding American flags and wishing Fischer well.

Before going into this movie I said to myself "well, if it's bad, it will still be somewhat entertaining to me because it will be about chess" boy was I wrong. It's not even one of those "it's so bad and cheesy it's kind of entertaining" movies, because it's not cheesy, it's serious. It's like watching somebody take a skeleton of a true story and fill it in with lies and exaggerations, and it not only portrays Fischer badly, it portrays Spassky and the entire game of chess badly as well. I'd say they tried to make the game chess be the second villain in the story (because it makes people "crazy" and as the movie tells us "is a rabbit hole" leading to nowhere), along with "tough guy football jock Spassky" and "the Russians". I expected at any moment Spassky to say "I vill break you" like that character from Rocky.

Robert_New_Alekhine

I personallly loved it!

Zzyzx_Road
Dolphin27 wrote:

 I expected at any moment Spassky to say "I vill break you" like that character from Rocky.

Thank you for the lol of the day. 

t_taylor

@nativechessminerals...as for #4 when Fischer played BxN, I think I read that the Soviet GMs all cheered when he moved there thinking he had lost the game. I may have read that in Yasser Seirawan's winning chess endings, but can't find book to chesck

NativeChessMinerals
Dolphin27 wrote:

Toby McGuire-Fischer doing a talkshow circuit saying things like Fischer used to (but again exaggerated, imagine Fischer's one comment about deflating peoples egos multiplied by ten)

It was an exact quote...

@ 3:23 to 3:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPlXC3M8hbg

Spectator94

Was looking forward to watching it, now I'm a bit hesitant :(

RonaldJosephCote

     Thank you Dolphin27. Maybe that's why D2_To_D8 was pushing it SOoo much in his thread.

westbest667

The ads made the movie sound like a movie without a plot. That 's what made me think twice about watching it . I'm glad I didn't watch it. It would have wasted my money!;D

westbest667
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westbest667
Dolphin27 wrote:

 

Before going into this movie I said to myself "well, if it's bad, it will still be somewhat entertaining to me because it will be about chess" boy was I wrong. It's not even one of those "it's so bad and cheesy it's kind of entertaining" movies, because it's not cheesy, it's serious. It's like watching somebody take a skeleton of a true story and fill it in with lies and exaggerations, and it not only portrays Fischer badly, it portrays Spassky and the entire game of chess badly as well. 

Well if it has nothing to do with chess and everything to do with Russians whys it called Pawn Sacrifice?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

RonaldJosephCote

     I'm not sure if it was marketed for the people who actually lived through that time; or if it was marketed to a whole generation of kids that have NOoo idea what the Cold War was. Undecided   If they stayed true to the facts, it would be called a documentary. If they played loose with the facts, its called Info-tainment.

DrinkingLikeTal

I might torrent it.  And then I might even hate watch it.

RonaldJosephCote

    Well, he's been dead for 7 yrs. That may have something to do with the copyright experation. Using his image and likeness. Maybe there's nobody left in his estate to give a crap even if the producer outright lied.Frown

RonaldJosephCote

   D2_To_D8 will probably start another thread in 6 months. "Will Pawn Sacrifice be up for an Oscar"?Cry    For "Outstanding CRAP In A Dramatic Role", and the winner is......

didibrian
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Dolphin27

I saw the HBO documentary about Fischer and I loved it. I also loved the movie Searching For Bobby Fischer, but I hated Pawn Sacrifice.

It's almost like with Pawn Sacrifice, they were trying to make an ultra-drammatic and fictionalized version of the documentary, with choppy editing, montages, lots of music, and relegating the game of chess to the background while implying it's a bad game for peoples' minds. The people who made this movie aren't chess lovers, clearly the director and writer knew how to play, perhaps very casual players, but no one who is a chess lover like those of us posting in these forums could have made this movie.