Karjakin's new platform

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miskit_mistake

https://www.chessdom.com/sergey-karjakin-is-developing-his-own-online-chess-platform/

If you won't let me play with you, I'll play with my own toys 

miskit_mistake

There was a time when there was a split.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Chess_Association

llama51
LongTimeGalaxy wrote:

Organize tournaments based on players instead of countries.

Nearly all tournaments are "based on players."

llama51
LongTimeGalaxy wrote:

No, they are based on the tournament director and money. The players don't get a choice. Either they are invited (if they are rated high enough) or they pay a nominal fee to enter.

I could make 3 corrections to this plus one point about how even if every GM was their own organization they'd still need money to run things... but sometimes it's simpler to just stop talking.

llama51
LongTimeGalaxy wrote:
llama51 wrote:
LongTimeGalaxy wrote:

No, they are based on the tournament director and money. The players don't get a choice. Either they are invited (if they are rated high enough) or they pay a nominal fee to enter.

I could make 3 corrections to this plus one point about how even if every GM was their own organization they'd still need money to run things... but sometimes it's simpler to just stop talking.

 

Yes, you can look at one variable and jump to conclusions with narrow minded effort.

 

Or you could see that the players could choose who is in their platform. The advertisers would have to negotiate with the players, not the tournament directors. 

 

But maybe you prefer to keep watching top 40 tournaments decided by other people, and not the players which will give you quick draws like So and Nakamura made. Naka's point was to not blame the players, but blame the system. If he were running things, then we could blame him.

 

The money would follow those who get the support of the people, and it wouldn't be unilateral since we could support other players, not just those in our country.

 

Go to about 9:15 or a little bit before in this video.

 

This is a very old issue that no one knows how to solve. Organizers have tried various tricks (3-1-0 scoring system, inviting a low rated wild card player, outright banning draw offers, and other ideas).

As So said in that video, top level chess is drawish by nature and top players are paid based on their performance, not based on how entertaining their games were. It makes no sense to take risks.

Letting players set up their own leagues (or whatever you're suggesting) wouldn't change this. And anyway, as @miskit_mistake points out, Kasparov broke away from FIDE in the 90s. Roughly 100% of people regard that as a bad move, and Kasparov himself called it one the biggest mistakes of his life.

llama51
LongTimeGalaxy wrote:

Why does So, from the Philippines, Dominguez from Cuba, and Caruana who was once representing Italy have to be under a national flag of the USA? 

What does that have to do with anything?

llama51
LongTimeGalaxy wrote:

Why can't players say goodbye to FIDE, form "equal" teams and play that way?  

I suppose because that's not a practical way to attract sponsors or raise money in general.

llama51
miskit_mistake wrote:

https://www.chessdom.com/sergey-karjakin-is-developing-his-own-online-chess-platform/

If you won't let me play with you, I'll play with my own toys 

 

Anyway, on OP's topic, I assume I'll never hear about Karjakin's online chess site again... I assume business formed out of spite have close to a 100% failure rate lol.

DreamscapeHorizons
llama51 wrote:
LongTimeGalaxy wrote:

Organize tournaments based on players instead of countries.

Nearly all tournaments are "based on players."

 

Yeah... nearly.  evil.png

llama51
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:
llama51 wrote:
LongTimeGalaxy wrote:

Organize tournaments based on players instead of countries.

Nearly all tournaments are "based on players."

 

Yeah... nearly.  

I was thinking of the european team championship tongue.png

GamboldV

Nobody cares about Karjakin. He's just another notch on the Magnus belt. One of those guys who lost the WC in, uh, whatever year that was.  At least Nepo went out flaming and gave us all something to talk about, and now we can root for his eventual return to form. 

Karjakin? Who? Oh yeah, that Russian player who likes Putin. Yawn. 

 

 

 

 

idilis

https://www.chessdom.com/karjakin-karpov-grischuk-and-morozevich-to-play-a-round-robin-in-moscow/

https://www.chessdom.com/vladimir-putin-grants-sergey-karjakin-medal-for-merit-to-the-fatherland/

Karjakin may blame haters for being unable to participate in the candidates. To be precise, David Hater.

idilis
CastledSacrifice wrote:

Grischuk, slipping to the dark side. I can understand Karjakin and Karpov, don't know much about morozevich (he was the Rapport sharp dresser back in the day), but Grischuk spoke out against the Ukraine invasion. Why would he accept this?

Carrot, stick, ... or just inertia