Kid stuck around 1500 for 6 months - advice?

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dcb1970

My son is in 3rd grade.  He has been stuck between 1430 and 1550 USCF for about 6 months now. It's clear he is getting better (I can almost never beat him anymore in slow games; and when he plays rated blitz, he usually beats an 1800 - 2000 player or two each tourney now).  But he also misses opponents ideas / threats on some pretty basic situations, and loses all-too-often games to kids who are lower rated - but more careful.

As a result, he's gotten rather discouraged. His coach (a GM) is very optimistic and is focused on his overall chess maturation process, and says this will carelessness will fade as he gets a little older. But I wanted to see if any parents / coaches here have helped their kids through this sort of situation so they don't lose interest and hope. I've gotten conflicting advice, which seems to fall into 2 camps:

1. Do a variety of  things: Chess.com lessons, drills, tactics, watch some videos, review master games in his opening lines.  

2. Simplify - do nothing other than review slow games with his coach, and do chess.com tactics until his rating moves up.  Revisit at that point.

Sorry for the long post, but any advice appreciated.

Thanks.

GrandmasterForester
Hi, my USCF recently broke 1900 and I almost made 2000. A year and three months ago I was 1250.
Maybe everyone gets better in different ways but I’ll explain exactly what I’ve done. I’m at an older age (17) so I’m sure your son in third grade could improve his rating even faster than me. I’ve seen people go from beginners to national masters in two years which I was I am trying to achieve. Most of what I do is opening study, maybe three or four hours a day. Learn your openings and understand the ideas. I know everyone says you only need opening study when your 2000+ but that is what brought me to nearly 2000 uscf in the first place. After I got a good enough opening repertoire I started with tactics. If you see my graphs it wasn’t too long ago that I was low rated, iv done roughly 10,500 tactics on here in a bit more than a year. Make sure your tactical rating is a few hundred above your USCF or else tactics should be your aim. Many 1800 ish players in my area have tactical ratings 2500+ yet my tactical rating is lower and my USCF is above theirs, strong tactical players need openings too and that’s what sets many of us apart. It seems like a lot of lower rated players start to think too early in their game because they don’t know the lines. Players also tend to plateau, I haven’t experienced mine yet but I’m sure it will come. I don’t know if minimal uscf rating improvement necessarily says the player isn’t getting better. People plateau because they are still learning what it takes to get to the next level. However the times my uscf rating went up the fastest during my 1250 to 1986 jump was when I’d take a few week brake from tournaments and just slow down and study. I did this many times and it surely helps. Here would be my study plan if I where still in your sons rating range.

1. Understand your openings, reach a good middle game position so you can put your skills to the test. Maybe get some opening books and a database to see what grandmasters play in certain positions. I recommend the book “Attacking with E4 and D4” by John Emms and Angus Dunnington.

2. Tactics everyday. Use this website to reach a tactical rating above your USCF (by a few hundred points).

3. Stay consistent.

4. Don’t confuse studying with playing. Playing chess can help but it’s just a penny in the bucket. You’ll learn far more by strictly studying.

5. After openings and tactics doing better start on the Endgame, (at least this was my order). Ready Silmans Complete Endgame Course all the way to Class A. You can draw losing games and win others with the information in this book.

6. Go out of your comfort zone. If you find yourself consistently losing in some opening or as some side don’t be afraid to entirely change your openings or go for something else. Just be sure you only use what you know and never mess around in a game.

7. Play for the win. When my rating was about 1600 USCF I drew a 2194 and I was up four points in the game. I only took the draw because I was scared I would mess up. I know it’s hard but the best thing to do is ignore rating, play to learn. I drew far too many masters as a lower rated player and all it did was take away valuable information.

8. Rating improves with what you learn. Don’t rush rating, just start studying. Rating is only a reflector and it’s often wrong. If rating is your goal aim for 2000 in a year! Make some goals people would see as unrealistic and prove them wrong or get as close as you can. Chess can’t reflect our intelligence because it takes lots of studying to improve our rating. We need information we don’t already have. Chess won’t come naturally it has to be learned!

Hopefully you find some of this helpful 😃
JamesColeman

I don't exactly know what 3rd grade is, but I'm guessing it's under 10 years old. If so, he's doing really well! To be beating 1800-2000 players regularly means he has great potential. Juniors generally tend to plateau for a while - the main thing is that he doesn't lose enjoyment for the game, it sounds like he's talented but gets a bit impatient during his games against those he knows he should beat. I agree with your coach, this carelessness should fade a little bit as his personality develops and matures over time. He's at one of the best ages to improve, so keep things light and fun happy.png

dcb1970
Thanks all for the advice. 3rd grade is age 8. He doesn’t have tons of time for practice during the week with sports and homework. But I like the idea of targeting a tactics level 500 points above his rating.

I would do the silman endgames but sure wish it was available on iPad or iPhone as an interactive module.
jjupiter6

RonPaulsSteelBalls wrote:

I forgot to add this. It is also time for blind-fold Chess. He's at the age that blind-fold is required to skyrocket His skill to where you and the coach knows He is going (GM)

Why is blindfold chess required? Where did you read this?

bong711

It's time to change coach. I really don't know who's fault why your son is stuck at 1500 but changing coach is the most practical action.

EternallyBad
RonPaulsSteelBalls wrote:
jjupiter6 wrote:

 

RonPaulsSteelBalls wrote:

 

I forgot to add this. It is also time for blind-fold Chess. He's at the age that blind-fold is required to skyrocket His skill to where you and the coach knows He is going (GM)

 

Why is blindfold chess required? Where did you read this?

 

Super GM friend started this at the same age as OP son.

 

This will get rid of that mental laziness He describes but as well tap into that intuition which is the vision in His imagination to definitively articulate a win at the highest levels.

Also you become less careless

dcb1970
I won’t name the coach here but he he a very good coach and strong player above uscf 2700. Not his fault my kid is a little careless.
lfPatriotGames
dcb1970 wrote:
I won’t name the coach here but he he a very good coach and strong player above uscf 2700. Not his fault my kid is a little careless.

 Is it Dominguez Perez?

dcb1970

pfren - I agree, but it's the lack of progress that seems so odd. Is such a plateau normal in your experience?

 

bong711
bong711 wrote:

It's time to change coach. I really don't know who's fault why your son is stuck at 1500 but changing coach is the most practical action.

Your present coach have excellent chess skills. I don't know about his motivation skills. Motivation skills are necessary for good coaches and teachers.

eheadsfan

Give him words of encouragement and tell that losing is  part of learning process. How does   he train tactics? What are the apps or books that he use to solve puzzles?

Destroyer942

I've been stuck at that level for a year.

bong711

Most older adults are stuck sad.png

wollyhood

I would make sure he is playing team sports, even 4 person chess. (That in particular might help him see the opponents tactics better.) If he was doing martial arts or some other thing where they can feel like part of a team, it just lightens the load in life psychologically. If his self worth all comes from him winning at chess this would be bad.  Very likely to burn out if he is not used to losing and thinking of the bigger picture as super bright kids often do: what is the point of chess yada yada. He might be starting to look for what is really important in life if people around him seem obsessed with ephemera. Chess or anything requiring major practice could easily be seen as trivial if he is asking the big questions already.

It's got to stay fun first and foremost... I get the impression his chess life might be a bit of a grind at the moment.

Increasing his scope of life can't hurt. In fact if it gives him more self confidence in any way... it would be good.

If he's unco-ordinated there are still heaps of sports that can still make him feel manly / strong like rock climbing, yoga, archery.

Destroyer942

Not to sound rude, but are you sure you're qualified to teach him if you can't beat him in long games and he's only in 3rd grade?

dcb1970
I don’t teach him. I am totally unqualified. I just try to encourage him to practice outside of his lessons.
bong711

@OP Do you promise him rewards if his ratings increase? A mere congratulations isn't enough specially if one heard it many times.

eheadsfan
dcb1970 wrote:
I don’t teach him. I am totally unqualified. I just try to encourage him to practice outside of his lessons.

 

I believe the book Winning Chess Strategy for Kids by Coakley will help your son. It is a fun book. This book will also help you improve you as a player and you will know things that your son needs to improve. It also contains tactics puzzles.   The good thing about this book is it teaches the necessary openings, endgames,strategies and tactics.

 

Check the review.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Winning-Chess-Strategy-Kids-Coakley/dp/1895525055

SeniorPatzer

I think your son is doing very well.  Chess growth is not a continuous straight line upwards.