Korchnoi vs Tal

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WestofHollywood
rigamagician wrote:

A particularly silly arranged draw between two top Western players.  Someone should have told them that it's immoral.

 


 Miles probably had the fewest GM draws of any world class grandmaster except for Fischer. Wasn't there some kind of extenuating circumstances with this draw? I think Huebner had some type of grievance against the tournament, and Miles was supportive, hence the strange game.

WestofHollywood
Atos wrote:

Smyslov also expressed negative views on Tal's playing style, and did Botvinnik too ? His style was different from theirs. In general, it was more creative, although he had his uninspired (or maybe plain medically sick) days too.

Korchnoi was, I believe, one of the least inspiring players to ever reach the top level of chess.

Korchnoi has sure inspired me by his fighting spirit, longevity, and excellent results. In my opinion he is the strongest player to never win the world championship - my apologies to Keres and Rubenstein. Tal has inspired me too, but Korchnoi is more of a "Lasker-like" player who doesn't have the most beautiful games, but sure gets the results.


musicalhair

It seems pretty well documented that the Soviet chess players were often under pressure form the KGB and their draws, wins or loses, and how the KGB was more concerned with preventing Reshevsky and Fischer anyone else that wasn't a good soviet from winning.

 

To say that rigging one's performance in a competition to the liking of one's governement is a cultural thing pretends away the kind of oppression the players faced.

TheOldReb

The players " followed orders" ..... OR ELSE !  Kasparov touches on this in his books : My Great Predecessors .  Even Capablanca complained of the Soviet players giving each other short draws while going all out against him when he played in Moscow. Should the individual players be "excused" because they are simply " following orders " and will be punished if they don't do as told ?  

raul72
Reb wrote:

The players " followed orders" ..... OR ELSE !  Kasparov touches on this in his books : My Great Predecessors .  Even Capablanca complained of the Soviet players giving each other short draws while going all out against him when he played in Moscow. Should the individual players be "excused" because they are simply " following orders " and will be punished if they don't do as told ?  


 At the Nuremberg trials (45'-49') Many Germans were executed for simply following orders.

Hey guys! give me a break. I didnt want to gas all those people. It was my job---I was ordered to kill them. You got to let me go! Please just let me go back to Stuttgart and join my old chess club. Why I wouldn't harm a fly.

TheOldReb

Larsen also hated draws...... whats his draw rate ? 

raul72
Fezzik wrote:

Benko and Filip were definitely "tailenders" in that group. Tal would have done fine except for his illness.


with the tournament almost over, two rounds left and Keres is leading the pack---all he had to do to fulfill his life's dream is to beat Benko. He got his butt kicked by Benko. Benko beat Fischer in the very first round. How do you think Filip got to Curacao? Do you think he fell off a turnip truck as it was driving through town? He finished fifth in the Stockholm interzonal 1962 leaving many strong GMs behind. Of course they were tailenders in this group--they finished in the last places. Fezzik, we all know that. How about this, the next time you post give us some information we dont know---now that would be most appreciatedWink

Atos

It's not clear to me how far the Soviet players had to follow orders in such situations. It would seem that Tal never took part in any such arrangements, was he exempted from the orders from some reason ? I don't think that we know exactly what was going on behind the scenes.

Btw I believe that the GM with the highest percentage of draws is Ulf Andersson.

raul72
Atos wrote:

In Sousse 1967., Fischer demanded to have special rest days on Saturdays for religious reasons. This demand was granted but the arrangement gave him less overall rest days than the other participants since the organizers could not change the whole tournament schedule because of him.


 Seriously Atos, you should get away from the forums for a while and get a dose of real life. You're getting buggy!

There was another player in the tournament who got Saturdays off for religious reasons and didnt have his rest days diminished. Look him up---I'm through doing your homework!Tongue out

Atos
raul72 wrote:
Atos wrote:

In Sousse 1967., Fischer demanded to have special rest days on Saturdays for religious reasons. This demand was granted but the arrangement gave him less overall rest days than the other participants since the organizers could not change the whole tournament schedule because of him.


 Seriously Atos, you should get away from the forums for a while and get a dose of real life. You're getting buggy!

There was another player in the tournament who got Saturdays off for religious reasons and didnt have his rest days diminished. Look him up---I'm through doing your homework!


I'd suggest that you assume a more polite tone, and refrain from sticking tongue out and such gimmicks.

Atos

There is a rather detailed account of the events at Sausse here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1080581/index.htm

There is no mention of another player receiving rest days on Saturdays. The rest days also were not Fischer's sole complaint, there were a number of others, and Fischer was eventually forfeited from that tournament.