Legit handicap system?

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Saint_Ravitt

So I'm an avid player of the game of Go and one thing that Go players like to brag about is a having a legitimate handicap system built into the game though I don't like that system either (not important if you don't know what Go is our how the handicap works). At any rate, I've heard some talk about developing a real Chess handicap so that a stronger player can play a weaker player with both players having a roughly equal chance of winning. I've seen some games (even among grandmasters) played either a pawn or two or even a rook down though I feel like this alters the game too much (and maybe this system is quite common, I just haven't seen it much). Another idea is for the stronger player to have less time on his clock though this is hard to calculate exactly what the restraints should be based on skill level. My Proposition: The weaker player plays white and is given a move or few extra before black gets to move. However, certain regulations are necessary. Just some ideas, maybe say you can't move a piece past the 4th rank, obviously you can't take any pieces, you can't move your queen, king or rooks, or maybe you can't move the queen from the back rank, ect. Any thoughts?

Troll4ever22

How about a system that phiscially handicaps you?

Like you're playing a game against a clearly inferior player so you press the handicap button, and a series of bright flashing lights come from your monitor/phone causing you to have a massive siezure.

Or you're playing against a clearly superior player and press the button to have a gang of thugs come to his house to break his arms and legs.

Just throwing it out there.

GnrfFrtzl

The debate about white having an advantage is still on.
I've heard this conversation in my chess club:

- White clearly has the advantage, no doubt. The first move, the first chance to attack.
- White is also the first to reveal his plan so black can respond adequately. Is that not a bigger advantage?

I agree with both.

mosey89
GnrfFrtzl wrote:

The debate about white having an advantage is still on.
I've heard this conversation in my chess club:

- White clearly has the advantage, no doubt. The first move, the first chance to attack.
- White is also the first to reveal his plan so black can respond adequately. Is that not a bigger advantage?

I agree with both.

The difference is that white's advantage is objective whereas black's advantage is practical - at lower levels this practical advantage is more significant however I think white's objective advantage becomes more obvious at higher levels of play.  For club level players the advantage of the first move is almost completely irrelevant imo.

_Number_6

This is why there are ratings.  Aside from instruction, the game is altered far too much by handicapping either pieces or moves. Time past an elo difference of +- 400 is not likely to make a predictable difference unless the players are playing 30 min vs 3.

I have handicapped time and pieces when teaching son until he got stronger.  I find it better now to leave opportunities on the board or play openings I don't usually play. He's good enough to not need those chances too often.

jatelviss

Time handicaps would be the one of the more efficient ways to offset a skill handicap. Let's just say I am a 1200 rating player going against a 1900 skill set player. How about setting my time limit to like 10 minutes versus my oppenent of having let's say 4/5 minutes? 

macer75
Troll4ever22 wrote:

How about a system that phiscially handicaps you?

Like you're playing a game against a clearly inferior player so you press the handicap button, and a series of bright flashing lights come from your monitor/phone causing you to have a massive siezure.

Or you're playing against a clearly superior player and press the button to have a gang of thugs come to his house to break his arms and legs.

Just throwing it out there.

Now that's a good idea! You don't see those too often on these forums.