Live Analysis | Where is it now and how can we use it?

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USA-Elephant

So the live portion as we all know has been taken down ... ok fine ... yet what about all the tools and components within? Such as LIVE ANALYSIS (this is not the same as regular analysis board) ... for those who use it know its like the classroom but better.

The classroom does  not yet work as it should, too much lag and either student or myself is not able to see the moves that each makes, unless you tap on a piece and this and that ... for most part its not working correctly however live analysis does the same and more ... 

So how can we use this to teach still?

Thank you

justbefair

If you read the article posted yesterday-- https://www.chess.com/article/view/chesscom-live-going-away

then Classroom is clearly supposed to replace Live Analysis.

I haven't used it much.  Does the lag vary from day to day?

justbefair

Analyze Games Live With Other Members Or By Yourself

Have you just played a game with a friend and would like to analyze it with them? Although there's no more "Live Analysis" like you'd find on our old Live page, you can still do the same thing (and more!) using our Classroom. Check out the video below to learn more about this feature:

Trick-clown

According to Chess.com, "Classroom is the new and improved Live Analysis board. It has everything you're used to and so much more!"

I'd send a message to Twitter or e-mail Support, but chances are since they think it's "improved" and has "so much more!" it will be some time before it is fixed

USA-Elephant

Hope somehow they can fix classroom or bring back at least live analysis ...

as for lag ... its too hard to explain ... i tried with three or more different students and you have to touch a piece or move it to get the board to update the position/moves etc ...

anyway i know many other people not use classroom as well for same reason ... its a cool tool but its not syncing so its not just lag /  which yes is a problem but it will not even recognize the move .. example i can make a whole bunch of moves and other person will not see it on their board .. i tried many variations/options ... study it ... read about it ... played with it but cannot get it to work as well others

i guess I will have to try again and see if its better ...

I wish they can move over live analysis to replace classroom / call it classroom but have the live analysis software the used/working software

ok thx

USA-Elephant

As for classroom more robust ... not sure about that happy.png live analysis not only had interactive ... it as loaded with features that you need write book on to explain and learn to use ... however I thought classroom was just a quick slim down version to interact per say ... but live analysis ... to which I did not know could do all that till week ago .. i was so happy to see live do that I was reading and found chess.com articles on it and then i test it and so sharp! talk about fast! each student can make a move we see it right away ... i have no idea the different reasons as to why it work so good but all i know is it did! ... i could not understand who would even use classroom after learning how sharp live analysis was ... and now its gone sad.png

USA-Elephant

First of all that is "not" live analysis ... as shared there was two types ...

Second, I am NOT going to try to access software via playing with url, etc that is not to be used ...

Martin_Stahl
SuperCornyMoves wrote:

Simple guessing can lead you to the analysis section. 

 

1. What site are you on? https://www.chess.com

2. What part of the site do you want to go to? analysis

 

Now put them together with a "/" in between, https://www.chess.com/analysis 

 

The Live Analysis Board that was in the old retired interface is not the same thing as the standalone Analysis Board. 

 

As mentioned, Classroom is the replacement for that feature.

Martin_Stahl
SuperCornyMoves wrot

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They are going to stream using video and audio. In that case, it doesn't matter which analysis tool you are going to use.

 

Seriously guys, put two neurons together and use common sense. The classroom feature is not useful unless you are going to deprive yourself of other technology like Zoom, Facebook video calls, and even Skype.

 

The whole idea of Classroom is a way to not need other tools to have voice, video, and a shared analysis board that the presenter and students can interact with, independently, without have to share control of the screen.

 

The older Live Analysis Board still required other tools, such as those suggested, if something other than text chat was wanted but still allowed that shared interaction on the board.

 

Yes, a streaming presentation can do that, if the presenter is willing to give control of their screen to students. Doesn't mean that the site shouldn't or won't provide a way to do it all on site without a need of external tools.

wink

USA-Elephant
SuperCornyMoves wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Yes, a streaming presentation can do that, if the presenter is willing to give control of their screen to students. Doesn't mean that the site shouldn't or won't provide a way to do it all on site without a need of external tools.

 

 

Dude ... you dont get it ... go try and use the tools to understand its function, plus if you would think a bit out of box and within all areas ... think students dude such as small ... you dont want small ones controling a system nor do i want to control theirs, that said ... pay attention here dude since you dont know best ways to use tools ...

In the Live Analysis board ... is supposed to be same in classroom but it does not work but in chess.com live analysis it worked! and more stuff in same ... nevertheless pay attention ... you still with me? here we go

Tell me if i was to test you on  a king and rook checkmate and your remote and I will control the king and  you as a student would be king and rook ... and you get three minutes per say ... tell me ... how ya going to do it?!

Yes they can tell me coordinates and i can make move as fast as I can for them / have done that is cool ... however hang on here we go think out of box and design a bit ... yes yes ... how cool is it they can move their own pieces and learn and have fun ...

Get it ... many ways to use tools however you have to put some brain thinking into it ... how you say put some neurons together? ... yes yes that it neurons  ... you said it best.

And hey it gets better that is only one example ... but ill let your neurons think a bit so you can now see such applications have large potential, yet one has to have a mind to design and use according to best ways and thinking's

So again ... you tell me without classroom or live analysis ... tell me how ya going to do a fun test as my ONE example to which skpy and ever other interconnect app does NOT allow.

Thx.

 

USA-Elephant

And if anyone else out there uses classroom can you please chime in here as to if it works for you or not and the issues you occur, as I am in tech and i understand software / networking and thus the lag, and the pieces not doing what live analysis in instant time ... is an issue ... however love to hear from some of you that actually use both ... this is a good start to chime in so chess.com may hear and try to solve it as I dont care which one i use ... i just need for my student to see on his/her board a piece move after i move on my board and vs. versa ... at current time this is not consistent and more times the pieces just sit there unless you toggle them per say ... tap the piece per say or tap the board with mouse per say and just too many little things you need to do to get it to work and that surely is not fun for teacher (me) or student.

My feelings is each application is using different server and networking components and perhaps hardware ... as classroom is cool ... but it needs to work.

Thx reading and hopefully any chime in on your issue with such?

There are other post in old days well not too old but some months back that talk about how users were so glad for live analysis as classroom was not working as should ...

Well those days are gone and we now have no choice but to hope chess.com fixes it ... and they will i am sure as they have the best chess site, I feel great design team in many manners and simply put I could not say more for this site its sharp!  you see even things of great will have issues ... it just take focus and time to fix and they will ... i just wish they keep live analysis up prior to the fix and or dont close it OR better ... chess.com please reopen it PLEASE or PART of it PLEASE until you get classroom working in full

Thank you.

 

USA-Elephant
SuperCornyMoves wrote:

Not sure if the above was for me or the martian guy. If you have a classroom, it's probably not a good idea to give everyone controls. If you are just working with one student, I don't see why speaking the moves with a video and audio stream can't suffice.

 

Recently, I signed up for an online demo class for something else. I was sent to a website with video, audio, and text all in one. I didn't have to sign up. I didn't have to use Facebook. I just clicked and joined.

The message was in response to you - thx

And exactly your seeing the point now ... its not about seeing nothing wrong with doing such by all voice and coordinates ... its about cool technology and advancing ... to allow a kid to move their own pieces is stronger interaction and fun for them vs. calling out a coordinate and me moving the piece ... look what is more cool ... me taking you to the race cars and you watch me drive all day and night OR you getting in the seat and driving ...

you see the technology we have and chess.com surely is using such greatly ... is there for a reason ... to use it ... to enjoy it ... and thus more great things will come after the fact as well

Ok thx.

USA-Elephant

Ok so lets slow down this thread as its pretty much said it all other than others chime in on their experience using classroom

I make new topic on just that so all can chime in as to usage of classroom and how its doing for them etc ... as the end user can help chess.com make such application better if they know the issues.

Thx.

USA-Elephant

SuperCornyMoves | they do have settings where you can edit your board and pieces ... see image / open a game / play etc ... and look my image here attached.

USA-Elephant

Ok Cool SuperCornyMoves of USA ... Cool / good thoughts ... now you need to settle down on comments and go practice chess ... i took look your stats happy ... its now time you get your rating up happy wink.  Enjoy here on this thread we said it all ... new thread in time about classroom to get some good chimes ... not the ones you posted meh ... but all is done in kind humor efforts i get it ... ok go practice now please ... get that rating up ... all the talk in world and I find your rating as such? Go get boy ... trust in yourself you can do it!

Bheeshmaparva
justbefair wrote:

If you read the article posted yesterday-- https://www.chess.com/article/view/chesscom-live-going-away

then Classroom is clearly supposed to replace Live Analysis.

I haven't used it much.  Does the lag vary from day to day?

I just checked classroom feature. It's nice actually. But, I didn't get one thing. Is it only for coaches to discuss the game with their students or for every user to analyse with their opponents? I just want to know its core purpose because I saw we can turn on our camera, audio and all which I felt is not that essential for every user. So, is this feature introduced mainly for coaches?

Martin_Stahl
SuperCornyMoves wrote:

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How is video and audio for only chess.com users going to help here? How can I connect to my other friends? I do see Google, Apple, and Facebook users can log in. How about Twitter and Twitch?

 

Do chess.com classrooms allow for guest log ins?

 

No.  But this topic is about the features on site for use by site members so ....surprise

USA-Elephant

Hey Bheeshmaparva ... Hi ... not sure really ... can be used for all ... however the term classroom does imply some concept of teaching happy But anyone can use for million things 

Let me know how it works live for you ... not from same IP address either / someone remote away from ya ... let me know how tools work and if you and they see pieces move one by one in real time 

thx.!

Martin_Stahl
Bheeshmaparva wrote:
justbefair wrote:

If you read the article posted yesterday-- https://www.chess.com/article/view/chesscom-live-going-away

then Classroom is clearly supposed to replace Live Analysis.

I haven't used it much.  Does the lag vary from day to day?

I just checked classroom feature. It's nice actually. But, I didn't get one thing. Is it only for coaches to discuss the game with their students or for every user to analyse with their opponents? I just want to know its core purpose because I saw we can turn on our camera, audio and all which I felt is not that essential for every user. So, is this feature introduced mainly for coaches?

 

It could be used either way.

Martin_Stahl
SuperCornyMoves wrote:

That's kind of like building a highway where only Ford cars can drive then. Where can the Toyota, Volkswagen, and General Motors cars drive?

 

I get the idea chess.com wants people to become site members, but this tug of war to get people to exclusively connect as chess.com members goes with a cost. If you remove that hurdle you are more likely to attract a wider audience and not have to rely so heavily on the cult followers.

 

People can use other tools if those fits their needs.