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Quasimorphy
j_connolly wrote:
Quasimorphy wrote:

I was surprised to learn that Kasparov's IQ is 135. I wonder if that's the lowest IQ with the title of World Champion.

That's not exactly low...

Sure, it's very high.  Maybe I should have said "least high".  It still strikes me as unusual that it wouldn't be higher than it is, given that Kasparov wasn't only World Champion but is probably considered by most people to be the greatest chess player of all time. If you told someone Fischer had an IQ of 180 and asked them to guess Kasparov's IQ, how many people would say in the 130's?

bigpoison
Quasimorphy wrote:
j_connolly wrote:
Quasimorphy wrote:

I was surprised to learn that Kasparov's IQ is 135. I wonder if that's the lowest IQ with the title of World Champion.

That's not exactly low...

Sure, it's very high.  Maybe I should have said "least high".  It still strikes me as unusual that it wouldn't be higher than it is, given that Kasparov wasn't only World Champion but is probably considered by most people to be the greatest chess player of all time. If you told someone Fischer had an IQ of 180 and asked them to guess Kasparov's IQ, how many people would say in the 130's?

First, I'd tell them they don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Second, I'd tell them that knowing Fischer's IQ gives me absolutely no information to help me guess Kasparov's IQ.

Actually, I probably wouldn't say shit, just shake my head and walk away.

bazzer
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j_connolly wrote:
Quasimorphy wrote:

I was surprised to learn that Kasparov's IQ is 135. I wonder if that's the lowest IQ with the title of World Champion.

That's not exactly low...

I heard Kasparov's IQ is like 180-190.

Doggy_Style
DaBigOne wrote:
j_connolly wrote:
Quasimorphy wrote:

I was surprised to learn that Kasparov's IQ is 135. I wonder if that's the lowest IQ with the title of World Champion.

That's not exactly low...

I heard Kasparov's IQ is like 180-190.

Where did you hear that?

bigpoison

Chess.com forums!  Where else?

bazzer

"Some sources give Kasparov an IQ between 185 and 190. But one source has it listed as 135. In 1987-88, the German magazine Der Spiegel went to considerable effort and expense to find out Kasparov's IQ. Under the supervision of an international team of psychologists, Kasparov was given a large battery of tests designed to measure his memory, spatial ability, and abstract reasoning. They measured his IQ as 135 and his memory as one of the very best."

i just googled it

TheGrobe
bazzer wrote:

i just googled it

I'll see your chess.com forums and raise.

ForsellV

I've always read that chess has no impact on IQ and vice versa. Albert Einstein apperantly had a hard time winning chess matches, meanwhile at my high school a kid with a 1.36 GPA and "mentally retarded" IQ is undefeated against all of his opponents so far. You just never know who has the talent for chess.

 
Doggy_Style
HurricaneMichael1 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
HurricaneMichael1 wrote:

It requires the same rating and everything just it`s when a woman gets it.

Incorrect. Why not research it before stating facts?

Are you a FIDE member? If you are we`ll further discuss this,if your not I`m a USCF member and I know what I`m talking about.

No, you don't.

Extracted from the FIDE Handbook:

http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=58&view=article

drahtseil

It's really naive to think that chess strength and general intelligence have a necessary correlation. Yeah, probably you need some basic intelligence to understand chess concepts and get good at it, but more important are memory, spatial ability and of course: lots of practice and studying. And if Kasparov were as intelligent as his chess ability seems to imply to some people, he wouldn't write these utterly dumb texts about why every historian except him and some other guys are wrong.

I could even imagine that there are some idiot savants, who are very good at chess while their IQ is actually below average. They usually have a perfect memory and they are obsessed with one subject, for which they have a great talent.

In general, the concept of IQ is in itself really naive and deficient, as intelligence is a very complex and diverse concept. IQ tests cover only a small part of this trait. I know some people with a very high IQ, who fail to grasp the most basic philosophic concepts, but they are very good at mathematics and other stuff. That's why we should measure intelligence in a way that would allow us to differentiate between different areas of intelligence, instead of thinking that there is this one big thing called IQ that we can express in a 2- to 3-digit-number and then we know how intelligent a person is.

ChessinBlackandWhite

Remeber that there are several types of IQ. people with a high logical iq will see more of a coalation with chess, those who have a high iq because of high language iq will see less of a cooalation. Those with a high mathmatical/balanced iq will be able to be good at chess (above average) but will be inlikely to get to master level. I would say that getting to the lvel of 1600 takes an overall above average iq, but to reach otb 2000 plus you would most likely need a higher logical iq. I would say at least 140+, but your recorded iq could be as low as say 115 if your high logical iq is off set by a lower language iq

Suvel

how do we know everyone's IQ

drahtseil
MichaelPorcelli wrote:

Remeber that there are several types of IQ. people with a high logical iq will see more of a coalation with chess, those who have a high iq because of high language iq will see less of a cooalation. Those with a high mathmatical/balanced iq will be able to be good at chess (above average) but will be inlikely to get to master level. I would say that getting to the lvel of 1600 takes an overall above average iq, but to reach otb 2000 plus you would most likely need a higher logical iq. I would say at least 140+, but your recorded iq could be as low as say 115 if your high logical iq is off set by a lower language iq

What's the basis for your hypothesis? As far as I know chess ability has little to no correlation to the IQ. Some people apparently like the concept of genius chess players who were born extraordinary. This might be true for the absolute best players but definitely not for an "average" GM.

ChessinBlackandWhite

experience and studying people and chess players. I cannot quote a scientific study, but I can reference personal study of say around 100 people over the years. Remeber iq measures potential so no coalation will aways exinst since poeple do not always apply their potential in the same way. No matter how high someone's iq is they will not be good chess without lots of study, and hard work often trumps iq, but iq may very well coalate to 1. the ease of learning 2. the strength one can attain in proportion to work put in and 3. the highest strength a person may achieve with max work. also remember coralation does not mean causation. I think there is a coralation but a also think there are two many other factors for it to be a consistant meaningful coalation in predicting chess strength

ChessinBlackandWhite

tainted yes, but no one is claiming iq is the only factor, only that it is a factor. I am saying iq can be used as one piece of the puzzle to fine those things

Fat_Finger

It's really naive to think that chess strength and general intelligence have a necessary correlation. Yeah, probably you need some basic intelligence to understand chess concepts and get good at it, but more important are memory, spatial ability and of course: lots of practice and studying. And if Kasparov were as intelligent as his chess ability seems to imply to some people, he wouldn't write these utterly dumb texts about why every historian except him and some other guys are wrong.

I could even imagine that there are some idiot savants, who are very good at chess while their IQ is actually below average. They usually have a perfect memory and they are obsessed with one subject, for which they have a great talent.

In general, the concept of IQ is in itself really naive and deficient, as intelligence is a very complex and diverse concept. IQ tests cover only a small part of this trait. I know some people with a very high IQ, who fail to grasp the most basic philosophic concepts, but they are very good at mathematics and other stuff. That's why we should measure intelligence in a way that would allow us to differentiate between different areas of intelligence, instead of thinking that there is this one big thing called IQ that we can express in a 2- to 3-digit-number and then we know how intelligent a person is.

Best thing on iq that I've heard

Your all just playing a guessing game, and my guess is that it's a waste of time

phantomanus

Don't forget that the majority of the top ranked chess masters in the world would qualify as being.. uhm... somewhat socially/physically inept.  They, themselves, are probably autistic.  Nothing wrong with that though.  They have shown that many of the greatest minds in history probably had an ASD.

phantomanus

You are quite wrong.  Several studies have been done on master ranked chess players and many show autistic scores.  Obviously high functioning, but this is not a negative thing.  Researchers who have studied chess players show that the really good chess players have to spend time inputting chess patterns into their brans. To do so, they require levels of concentration and memory that the average person is incapable of. 

iksarol

IQ has nothing to do with rating , i have a 146 IQ and im a moron , never done shit with my life nor have i ever goten to 2k rating , about my IQ im not lieng thats what i have  so IQ means shit to me.