"Most incriminating evidence that Hans cheated" video

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JohnNapierSanDiego

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfPzUgzrOcQ

 

For me, this video started to get real interesting around the 11:45 mark... But it's worth watching the whole thing.

At 11:45 , 100% engine correlation in a Hans Niemann game

And he gets 100% engine correlation in multiple games.

This is basically a statistical impossibility in the short amount of time that he has done it

Now I'm starting to feel convinced... This is pretty good evidence.

Knights_of_Doom

Weren't some of the games with 100 from 2021?

Never2late2resign
I'm losing my patience here, been relating to various examinations (from people without any obvious stake in the matter). 100% correlation in one game (that is not a x-y moves of an opening trap) is unlikely to happen in a GM lifetime, never happened to Fischer, Kasparov or Carlsen (not even close). Keeps happening to HMN. Sure, why not? People believe in virgin birth, resurrection and planet Earth being a few thousand years old. Why expect more from chess players? And its fans.
ninjaswat

did chessbase not say that this tool should NOT be used to prove cheating? I believe there was a Reddit post which completely and utterly debunked this...

Magnus has also had 100% correlation?

JyJade_Won

Statistical improvability? Laughable

DreamscapeHorizons

And what kind of name is Moke anyway.  That's suspicious in itself, that's kind of like having a name like Borislav.  Definitely guilty just based on that.

GMahatma
DreamscapeHorizons wrote:

And what kind of name is Moke anyway.  That's suspicious in itself, that's kind of like having a name like Borislav.  Definitely guilty just based on that.

 

Borislav Moke, the new GOAT

JohnNapierSanDiego
JyJade wrote:

Statistical improvability? Laughable

 

If you actually bothered to watch the video, she gets into the odds of it.

JohnNapierSanDiego
ninjaswat wrote:

did chessbase not say that this tool should NOT be used to prove cheating? I believe there was a Reddit post which completely and utterly debunked this...

Magnus has also had 100% correlation?

 

It's how OFTEN Hans has done it - much more than once - and in how SHORT amount of time he has done it.  No Magnus hasn't done it like Hans has and neither has anyone else in history.

 

What Hans is doing right now is showing he's either probably the best chess player in history, OR he's cheating.

GMahatma
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote: JyJade wrote:

Statistical improvability? Laughable

 

If you actually bothered to watch the video, she gets into the odds of it.

 

and she's completely wrong, as many people with a background in statistics have already pointed out. this some serious trump tactics, repeat the same lies and 'alternative facts' over and over again even though your bs has been debunked numerous times.

JohnNapierSanDiego
GMahatma wrote:
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote: JyJade wrote:

Statistical improvability? Laughable

 

If you actually bothered to watch the video, she gets into the odds of it.

 

and she's completely wrong, as many people with a background in statistics have already pointed out. this some serious trump tactics, repeat the same lies and 'alternative facts' over and over again even though your bs has been debunked numerous times.

 

You sound like a crazy insane person and I obviously can't have a discussion with you.

GMahatma
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote: GMahatma wrote: JohnNapierSanDiego wrote: JyJade wrote:

Statistical improvability? Laughable

 

If you actually bothered to watch the video, she gets into the odds of it.

 

and she's completely wrong, as many people with a background in statistics have already pointed out. this some serious trump tactics, repeat the same lies and 'alternative facts' over and over again even though your bs has been debunked numerous times.

 

You sound like a crazy insane person and I obviously can't have a discussion with you.

 

and yet you still had to reply to me with the above in an attempt to strengthen your point in our discussion by calling me 'crazy insanse' (what made you add 'insane' to your statement? you thought 'crazy insane' is much stronger than 'crazy'?).

in other words, you are an idiot not even capable of reflecting on what you do vs. what you write.

magipi

100% is too suspicious. This means that whoever used the computer for Hans, he/she used the exact same engine calculating at the exact same depth as this lady. What are the chances of that? Approximately nothing.

I would say that at first blush this video looks like a scam.

MasterRobair22

 Some loser on here use Trump as exemple of losing, Loser always loser 

snoozyman

98% = Sebastien Feller in Paris 2010

72-75% = Correspondence World Champion (pre engine era)

72% = Bobby Fischer during his 20 consecutive winning streak

70% = Magnus Carlsen at his best

69% = Garry Kasparov at his best

62-67% = Super GM's

57-62% = Normal GMs

 

 

 

73% = Hans Niemann for 5 tournaments in a row

JohnNapierSanDiego

73% for fire tournaments in a row, exactly.

 

Now someone can make the argument Hans is actually a genius and is really a great chess player...

But can anyone really possibly believe that Hans Niemann, right now, is better than Magnus Carlsen, Kasparov, or Fischer at their height, when compared to their competition?

I don't believe it.  The odds of him being a cheater are much, much higher.  And there's already devices that have been created that Hans can put inside of himself that will correspond with stockfish that will send him vibrations and patterns he can recognize that will tell him the moves.

 

THAT device already exists.  It's not hypothetical.

 

Which one is more believable?

snoozyman

lfPatriotGames
snoozyman wrote:

 

There are an awful lot of "uh ohs" in there. 

lfPatriotGames
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote:

73% for fire tournaments in a row, exactly.

 

Now someone can make the argument Hans is actually a genius and is really a great chess player...

But can anyone really possibly believe that Hans Niemann, right now, is better than Magnus Carlsen, Kasparov, or Fischer at their height, when compared to their competition?

I don't believe it.  The odds of him being a cheater are much, much higher.  And there's already devices that have been created that Hans can put inside of himself that will correspond with stockfish that will send him vibrations and patterns he can recognize that will tell him the moves.

 

THAT device already exists.  It's not hypothetical.

 

Which one is more believable?

That's a good question. What is more believable. Not counting biases and loyalties. But just the evidence alone, nothing else. 

I would say preponderance of evidence, yes.

Beyond a reasonable doubt, yes.

100% proof, no. 

JohnNapierSanDiego

For 100% proof, his butt needs to be searched.  That's the problem, because that's how he's cheating.  And he knows his butt isn't going to be searched.  That's the big dilemma.