most players cheat in more than 5 min games

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TheGreatOogieBoogie
good_nite wrote:

who cares if your being cheated? get real

It isn't about losing a few rating points that will easily be recouped through more play, it's about the principle of the matter.  If everyone in chess cheated then it would devalue the game as a whole and render playing meaningless.  It's the same reason why cheating on a test is wrong: if everyone cheated then the test would be rendered meaningless and lose its value.  If everyone doing a certain thing would be wrong then it's wrong if one person does it. 

Irontiger

OP, and other people that have been "cheated", would you mind posting some games here ? (without the names of your opponent) And be sure to indicate the point at which you believe the guy started the engine.

 

I would be happy to debunk the myth that 99% of players above some level are cheaters.

kelsierSC

I really don't think many people cheat, like at all.

If your opponent is cheating then it just means you are playing something that is playing very accurate moves, this is a good form of training.

You improve your game, ok the number next to your name goes down a litle bit, not a huge deal, your opponent gains nothing and hopefully gets caught later on

B-Lamberth

Tartakower explained long ago why you suspect your opponent start cheating at the end of the game:

"A chess game is divided into three stages: the first, when you hope you have the advantage, the second when you believe you have an advantage, and the third... when you know you're going to lose!"
Tartakower

Fluxman

Mr KelsierSC speaks the truth.

Tmb86

I am convinced I play cheaters in every game I play. Since I play people 1400-1500 live chess, it must be admitted that they have very poor engines.

Irontiger
Tmb86 wrote:

I am convinced I play cheaters in every game I play. Since I play people 1400-1500 live chess, it must be admitted that they have very poor engines.

My oppponent saw a mate in two that I did not see. He must be cheating !

kelsierSC
Irontiger wrote:
Tmb86 wrote:

I am convinced I play cheaters in every game I play. Since I play people 1400-1500 live chess, it must be admitted that they have very poor engines.

My oppponent saw a mate in two that I did not see. He must be cheating !

Laughing Also if he ever, even once, gets the same move as the chess engine then he is a confirmed cheater. 

TheGreatOogieBoogie
Irontiger wrote:

OP, and other people that have been "cheated", would you mind posting some games here ? (without the names of your opponent) And be sure to indicate the point at which you believe the guy started the engine.

 

I would be happy to debunk the myth that 99% of players above some level are cheaters.

Here's a game to help you (OTB):

 

Both white and black (especially black) played sub-optimal non-computer moves many times, and this game was very human.  This game should also give comfort to those who feel bad about blundering: there's no shame in it if it happens to the very elite, if it can happen to them it can damn well happen to us. 

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