I think it's great that stalemate exists. It forces the winning player to keep thinking, if there was no stalemate you could just move whatever and your opponent loses no matter what, in this case it forces you to play precise. I'm guessing you are lower rated and yeah this might be annoying while you are still learning other important game basics, but as a losing player it always gives you hope that your opponent might play carelessly and throw the game. I think it's a necessary part of the game and also makes many beautiful sacrifices and brilliant moves. Just look at some gm level stalemate ideas and examples from real live games and i'm sure you can appreciate the beauty and art of stalemating
MOST STUPID RULE : STALEMATE
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May 18, 2024
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#443
friedmelon wrote:
AviaSharma wrote:
torrubirubi wrote:
Avia, I know what do you feel, but consider this: if you are losing and your opponent is careless and allow you to make a nice combination which ends with stalemate, then this means that your opponent probably did not play well.
Keep in mind that is it easy to give a winning position away in pawn endgames or when trying to checkmate with K + Q vs K, where a chess player has to know what he is doing. The better you get in chess, the more you will regard stalemate as an interesting part of the game.
Stalemate is valid for both players. Is the same as when playing OTB you have to move a touched figure, even if this means losing the game. This is not unfair, only the rule of the game, valid for both players.
Try to find some stalemate tactics to see how you can save your skin by scarifying material and you will begin to change your attitude.
But still.... It causes a lot of trouble
White to move (you are white)
Re8+ king is forced to take and bam stalemate
Ziryab wrote:
From an OTB game more than a decade ago, and part of my diagnostic with new students. Black to move.
I think that is excellent. It's a very simple, yet effective way to show the value of stalemate. For a beginner I suppose they would think white should easily win. I think a similar type lesson is the bishop, king, a or h pawn vs. king. Where the bishop is the opposite color of the promotion square. For a beginner it looks like an easy win.
May 18, 2024
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#445
idkanymore0-0 wrote:
I think that stalemate is the worst rule which ever exists... You are about to win and Ola! Stalemate?!
Why blame the rule,? Blame yourself for being xxxxxx.
play4fun64 wrote:
idkanymore0-0 wrote:
I think that stalemate is the worst rule which ever exists... You are about to win and Ola! Stalemate?!
Why blame the rule,? Blame yourself for being xxxxxx.
Did it really take you 7 years to come up with this brilliant riposte?
May 19, 2024
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#447
magipi wrote:
play4fun64 wrote:
idkanymore0-0 wrote:
I think that stalemate is the worst rule which ever exists... You are about to win and Ola! Stalemate?!
Why blame the rule,? Blame yourself for being xxxxxx.
Did it really take you 7 years to come up with this brilliant riposte?
7 years seem like yesterday 😎
May 19, 2024
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#448
QuantumTopologistISBACK wrote:
magipi wrote:
play4fun64 wrote:
idkanymore0-0 wrote:
I think that stalemate is the worst rule which ever exists... You are about to win and Ola! Stalemate?!
Why blame the rule,? Blame yourself for being xxxxxx.
Did it really take you 7 years to come up with this brilliant riposte?
Why be rude?
What's rude? xxxxxx means Clever 😎
chesssblackbelt wrote:
If I changed any rule it would be moving the pawns 2 squares. I don't really understand why it exists.
To speed up the game. When chess arrived in Europe, it was a very slow game, so Spanish and Italian chess players in the 15th century invented some new rules for fast paced action and excitement.
Theres a good reason why chess rules saw their last change in 1880, by making en passant official (Wikipedia says it was first mentioned in the 16. century).
I'm not fundamentally opposed about changing the rules further, but it has to be something that improves the game, not makes it worse.
May 19, 2024
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#451
No, I think it’s a good rule. It’s only through carelessness that this happens.
May 19, 2024
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#452
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
From an OTB game more than a decade ago, and part of my diagnostic with new students. Black to move.
I think that is excellent. It's a very simple, yet effective way to show the value of stalemate. For a beginner I suppose they would think white should easily win. I think a similar type lesson is the bishop, king, a or h pawn vs. king. Where the bishop is the opposite color of the promotion square. For a beginner it looks like an easy win.
Alas, the position is wrong. White’s king was on g6, not h6. The position before White’s move was an easy win, spoiled by inattention to Black’s stalemate resource.
White to move
May 19, 2024
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#453
NO STALENATE IS NOT A STUPID RULE, THE SITUATION ANY OPPONENT HAS CREATED BY THERE OWN PLAY, ie Taking away all possible escape squares a lone king can move means play as ended as your opponent cannot make a legal move - THESE SITUATIONS RARELY HAPPEN WITH MORE EXPERIENCED PLAYERS USUALLY BY PLAYERS ON THE ROAD TO CHESS ENLIGHTENMENT, Your not going to change the rules of chess, they are all there for a reason I would suggest Lasker's famous quote ...CHESS IS AS LIFE!!
May 19, 2024
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#454
OH THE ABOVE POSITION IS NOT STALEMATE, BLACK CAN MOVE HIS KING AND ITS MATE IN 2 FOR WHITE
May 19, 2024
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#455
In stalemate the opponent has no legal move so what
will they play after you played a move
May 19, 2024
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#456
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May 19, 2024
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#458
I agree a little. I think if one player gets another in to stalemate it should count as win/draw of 0.75 of a win instead of 0.5. This would not work for chess.com but for tournaments I think the point system should be this.
Confirmation bias is a thing
Ziryab wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
From an OTB game more than a decade ago, and part of my diagnostic with new students. Black to move.
I think that is excellent. It's a very simple, yet effective way to show the value of stalemate. For a beginner I suppose they would think white should easily win. I think a similar type lesson is the bishop, king, a or h pawn vs. king. Where the bishop is the opposite color of the promotion square. For a beginner it looks like an easy win.
Alas, the position is wrong. White’s king was on g6, not h6. The position before White’s move was an easy win, spoiled by inattention to Black’s stalemate resource.
White to move
I would think the first diagram is better, for a beginner at least. It shows a way to force a draw. As a beginner I probably would not be able to think about all the possibilities in the second diagram.
There's no conundrum. The person who's has no tactical escape loses. If it's a battlefield and the king is totally surrounded outside his castle they don't call it a day. It's a mindless silly pedantic rule.
But it's not a battle, it's a game. And if it's someone's move and their king is not in danger but there is also no legal move, then the game is done, but no one wins.