Must king be physically taken out during checkmate?

I have a situation that has occured many times during games and i need clarification

Let me explain the scenario I've been in many times.

1. Player 1 has checkmate on player 2. 2 .Player 2 has a chance to actually see if there is a escape route.

2. Player 2 makes a move and turn out still in checkmate. *

3. It's now player 1's turn and he/she says checkmate again and starts to pick up the pieces without moving his/her piece to physically take out the King for the checkmate.

Most opponent i've faced (well respected ones in our community) says if the piece isn't physically taken out and removed from the board it means they haven't lost. And if i starts to pick up the pieces it means i gave up and my opponent wins. Kind of like if you start to pick up the pieces in the middle of a game when it's not even finished.

* in step 2 they always say "you actually do have a chance to prove the checkmate wrong" thats why they take their turn to move a piece.

the question is, do you actually have to physically take the opponents king and remove it from the board to take the piece just like any other piece?

Regards

B

You do not have to take the king. Actually, you CANNOT take the king. Under FIDE rules, capturing the king is an immediate loss. Once the king is in checkmate, the game is over.

People say when i say checkmate it theirs turn and get a chance to make a move. even though i still results as checkmate.

I have read somewhere they are allowed to try to prove the checkmate wrong. so i havent been able to argue with that until i find further information/rules.

Can i get the page for that rule? need to bring next time i play on our tournaments. because this happens way to often. thanks

Bad trolling attempt. 

Tried to find it there but couldn't find anything about it. If you have the section that mentions this please paste the quote here.

oh so its just not here. so they also say you havent won unless you take out the king from the board?

Checkmate = the king is in check and there is no way of escaping the check. If that condition is fulfilled then the game is over and neither player 2 nor player 1 will be able to make any more moves, unless you start a new game. Simple as that.

If it is only a check and your opponent fail to notice it during his turn and makes some other move, then you say out loud "illegal move" and the arbiter will give you extra time on your clock.

Yeah agreed!

I need some proof of this so i can bring to the chess place im at. They seem to bend the rules however they want. so if you have the official rules you can quote me i'd be happy.

I tried to show the old timers in my club the Fide rules. hell broke loose...

I showed them this:

Article 5: The completion of the game

5.1a. The game is won by the player who has checkmated his opponent’s king. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing the checkmate position was a legal move.

They still insist they have a move to use even though it's already checkmate. Saying they are trying to disagree with the checkmate and trying to prove me wrong. and then they move a piece. I still win though, but it's odd.

Me and the other players there don't know what to say to them. Because the rules doesn't actually point out you cannot make a move after checkmate.

makes me to start believe maybe they are correct?

Read the 2nd sentence off that rule over again.

that kinda makes me cry.

....only cuz the king hasta be figuratively captured. but i guess that can be a good thing. makes it more emotion-based. so okay. eyes dry.

Probably yeah

It's the only club in town. good or not... either that or i only play online.

and its not him its her.

I know right. I'm suprised too. Life truly is fantastic.

I do thank those to reply.

yes.

round two with the folks at the club and they respond to me:

I move my piece however i want. legal or not. nobody can question my move even if it's illegal according to what you (referring to me) are saying. if not then let me question your checkmate.

The rule DOES point out that you cannot move after checkmate.