My Critique on Youtuber Hanging Pawns

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llama47

I was asked to watch any of his videos and give my thoughts which I'll do in detail in my second post. With this post I'll give my overall thoughts. Here's the video I watched:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWI3gkizZg&list=PLssNbVBYrGcC8gwt8Q-dIJ_bBKihu8sT7&ab_channel=HangingPawns

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First of all I want to say he says many things that are correct, and I certainly believe he's 1900 FIDE and I get the impression he's played chess for a while. He even gives some historical context such as how Kramnik popularized the Berlin Defense in 2000.

However my overall impression of this video is negative. Putting aside the language barrier and what I'm convinced is his penchant for adlibbing, he says things that are factually incorrect. To his credit many times he contradicts himself later by getting it right. For example he says "Black's pawn break" in the closed Ruy "is f5," with no context, he just states that as a fact. This is incorrect, but then later says black would like to play d5 if he can, which is correct. Some of the contradictions will be confusing to people who are trying to learn. For example he says in the position below black can't capture on e4 but then later gives Nxe4 as a main variation.

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This sort of thing happens many times, and not all mistakes are corrected. For example he says black's main objective in the Berlin is to avoid trades until he creates an initiative or forces white to make concessions. This is simply incorrect. As an instructional video aimed at players who wont know what to believe and what to ignore these are major flaws.

llama47

1:19
Says 2...Nc6 stops the d4 push, but 3.d4 is the Scotch, a popular opening played by many GMs.

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1:33
Says Bb5 indirectly forces d4 and the capture of e5. It's not so much that this is incorrect (which it definitely is) it's that I have no idea what he was trying to say here.

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3:05
Says in the exchange Ruy one of the most noteworthy features is white's kingside pawn majority and black's damaged queenside pawn majority. This is true, but the presentation may be a bit confusing because he hasn't included d4 exd... so as he talks about pawn majorities the position he's showing doesn't have one.

There are also a few inaccuracies like saying black will be unable to force his pawns forward. That's not the point. The point is you can't force a passed pawn to appear when your majority has a doubled pawn. Another inaccuracy is he says white will have an advantage in any endgame. In a pure king and pawn endgame, yes, but there are plenty of cases in the exchange Ruy where black is the one with pressure thanks to the bishop pair / a better minor piece.

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3:38
Says black will have equal material with a better position because white can't castle, but black's advantage has nothing to do with king safety or castling rights.

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4:38
Says black can't play Nxe4, but Nxe4 is the open Ruy variation, which he covers later.

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4:59
The typical Ruy intro will show the traditional move order 7...d6 8.c3 because the idea is simple and logical. d6 defends e5 therefore allows the c6 knight to go to a5. As a response to this white plays c3 to give an escape square for the bishop. In his intro he talks about how the Ruy has a logical idea behind each move, which is true, and is often how the Ruy is presented, so it's a bit of a shame he skims over this.

I understand he shows this move order for the sake of leading into the Marshall attack, but I feel like it's worth pointing out he doesn't mention 8.c3 is inviting the Marshall. In other words white has many anti Marshalls available on move 8, which are very popular at every level.

In other words 8.c3 is shown with no comment even though it's a fairly consequential move for two reasons (creating an escape square and inviting the Marshall)

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5:03
Says this is the starting position of the closed Ruy. In the context of his frequent comment "in 99% of closed Ruy's ____ is played" calling this the starting position is incorrect. 9.h3 is, to use his language "played 99% of the time" and is the main branching point for most closed Ruys.

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5:15
Says this position can be seen in 20% of top GM games which start with 1.e4 e5. Simply incorrect, but even if it were, this adds nothing. I don't know why he says this.

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5:30 to 6:40
He's says a few inaccurate things, but at 6:40 in particular he says f5 is black's pawn break in the position. That's simply incorrect. Even in the 9...Nd7 variations the point is not to play f5. d5 is the quintessential equalizing pawn break here, and very much worth putting a spotlight on, but when he does finally mention it, it's more like an afterthought.

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7:14
Says there are two main variations... technically he does mention the two most popular ones, but I feel like this is misleading since black has many popular and well known options on move 9 (Na5, Nb8, Bb7, Nd7)

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7:27
Says one of the main points of the Breyer is that the knight is well placed on d7. This is simply not true. d7, like b8, is a transition square. The knight does not want to stay there. He says after Nd7 black will have d5 as "a real possibility." This is simply not true.

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9:20
For the next 3 minutes he says so many inaccurate things about the Berlin that it's easier to say what he got right. Yes the Berlin is a popular drawing weapon at the top level. Yes Kramnik popularized it. Yes white's kingside pawn majority is a main feature of the position. Basically everything else is wrong or misleading. For example he heavily implies Kasparov lost games as white in the Berlin against Kramnik in their 2000 match (which is incorrect). He also says the main goal for black in the Berlin is to avoid exchanges until he can force concessions from white (which is incorrect).

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15:10
Says the Marshall gives attacking chances to both sides. (He also said this about the open ruy.) This is more adlibbing on his part, white has no big attack. Soon after saying this he goes back on script and correctly says black has a lasting attack and white often has to give back the pawn just to survive.

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16:42
Says it's considered that you can't become a good player unless you know the Ruy perfectly and that this is partly because in the Ruy there are no attacking gambits or sacrifices... this is particularly strange considering he covered the Marshall attack which features a pawn sacrifice and a big attack.

I suppose this is another language barrier issue. What's true is that the Ruy is often recommended to developing players because it leads to a wide range of position types and structures and can therefore provide many excellent lessons. It's also a "forever opening" -- one you can play even after you're a strong GM.

RuffledZest

I guess that was either Spanish or Russian accent

Ziryab

He called 4 to 4 a “majority”. Less than three minutes in. I’m done.

llama47
Ziryab wrote:

He called 4 to 4 a “majority”. Less than three minutes in. I’m done.

Yeah, it's as if he wrote down a rough outline, and then without any other prep or practice he uses it to hit the main points while improvising everything else.

So he hits the highlights, but everything inbetween I'd say is misleading or wrong.

Moonwarrior_1

Rip, I personally watch Gotham chess and Eric Rosen when learning things. 

franco5578
I’m not advanced enough to spot these mistakes, but I checked out his videos for several times, it’s just not inspiring at all.

In a video he was teaching pawn break, he said he is going to teach how to make pawn break in middle game, which I expect he was about to teach how to open up lines for attack, how to create weak backward pawn etc., but turn out he taught endgame pawn break that making passed pawn...
PhamtomMenace

He's no grandmaster, but he's pretty good for lines and endgames. He strikes me as a theoretical player with a good opening repertoire.

llama47

There's a pretty big gap between not knowing that 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 is the Scotch and being a GM.

PhamtomMenace

I can see where you're coming from; I can sometimes be confused at the reasoning of some of his opening moves (like his Traxler video). Even so, his videos helped me develop a nice opening repertoire (I studied his Ruy Lopez variants and the Italian Game), as well as enrichen my endgame knowledge (like his rook+pawn vs. rook endgames, bishop endgames, and his W-maneuver for the knight+bishop mate).

PhamtomMenace
nousernameswereavaliable wrote:

Aman is a gm

Sorry I was referring to the original post

PhamtomMenace

Llama you're clearly rated higher than me and HangingPawns so I guess you're too advanced for his videos. I can agree that his lessons are around 1900 FIDE, which is around my level.

llama47

Contradicting yourself in your own video isn't about rating, it's about diligence.

But I didn't make this topic to disparage him, and I think I've said enough.

magictwanger

I understand why he was criticized here,but overall he is attempting to help the people who are climbing the ratings ladder like myself.....I prefer to give the guy a break....I'm not too inclined to knock someone so quickly,if his intentions are to help folks.

Overall,I find his videos to add to the pantheon of good chess instruction.

Just my 2 cents.

Jenium
RuffledZest wrote:

I guess that was either Spanish or Russian accent

He is from Croatia.

Jenium

I guess there is a reason why he is 1900, and not 2400...

I suppose a reason for the lack of depth / accuracy is that he strives to present almost every opening, not just the ones he plays...

In general I do think though that his site is quite useful for amateur players to get a first introduction to a new opening.

llama47
Jenium wrote:

I guess there is a reason why he is 1900, and not 2400...

I suppose a reason for the lack of depth / accuracy is that he strives to present almost every opening, not just the ones he plays...

In general I do think though that his site is quite useful for amateur players to get a first introduction to a new opening.

Part of it is that, and I agree.

But also part of it is lack of diligence. As Ziryab pointed out he says "4 vs 4 majority" and as I point out he contradicts himself.

EllipticCA

That video was made like 3 years ago lol

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AtaChess68

I like to watch Hanging Pawns.

I am not good enough to judge Llama’s statements but will keep it in mind.

One of the things I like about the guy is that he is really modest and he shares his own learning process. If I am not mistaken he quit his job about a year ago to seriously try to become a master. He studies a lot and shares those studies.

But everyone their taste. I think there is an American guy streaming a lot on Twitch. World #2 so he knows what he is talking about. Maybe that stream could be something for you Llama?