Mystery Quotes Mikhail Tal
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I thought you were going to mention that the pick up guru Mystery quoted Mikhail Tal.
Tal is a wizard if he says 2 plus 2 is 5 you better believe he can make it true
APawnCanDream wrote:
I take him to mean he wants to bring his opponents to a place where what is considered basic truth for chess is no longer so, but the truth of the position is determined by the person who comes out of the game the winner.
I think so too.
Tal is my favorite player ever. Some good insights in this thread.
Jan 30, 2015
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#27
The theory of 2 + 2 = 5 in a dark forest has been solved recently by the logic of 9 + 10 = 21.
Nekhemevich is worth listening to:
It means sometimes you have to defy logic.
Heads up!
To me that quote means to draw the opponent into situations where the sum is greater than the total of the individual parts. Or put another way, that the resulting positions are such that the material or the structures on the board can't simply be totted up and form the basis, 'Tarrasch fashion', for a statement that White or Black is better. Positions where there's a highly complex interaction between material and positional considerations which defy ordinary rules of thumb.
Anubarak wrote:
You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.
What does mean 2+2=5???
What is all meaning??? anyone know???
-2 plus 2 equal five and deep dark forest means that he cant calculate the right move easly and clearly. Also, means that he smashes chess basics of his opponents that he learned and studied, resulting a new game with new rules, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one means that the right move is only one which saves the opponent from losing and any other move will result losing the whole game, so the opponent must be very accurate in calculating the move "tactically" and even if he found the best move he will lose time calculating, which will result a time trouble.
Marwan w.
Anubarak wrote:
You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.
What does mean 2+2=5???
What is all meaning??? anyone know???
it's to make them believe something which is not true
Chess speaks for itself
Wow. Here's me thinking it was bleeding obvious. He takes them to a place far away from our normal world where the rules of logic don't apply. Like you've stepped into another dimension or parallel universe.
I see that as self evident in the way he played.
Apr 12, 2024
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#36
Anubarak wrote:
You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.
What does mean 2+2=5???
What is all meaning??? anyone know???
In chess, theories, rules, and principles help determine the path forward. This accumulated knowledge is what we refer to as "natural moves" or 2+2=4.
However, these theories, rules, and principles don't encompass everything that can be done on the board. Some positions can only be navigated correctly by delving deeply into their internal logic, which is original and distinctive—or, if you prefer, obscure. And it's not uncommon for generalities not to work in those positions, i.e., 2+2≠4.
Furthermore, tension can build up with threats and counter-threats in those irrational or chaotic positions, leading to so many complex problems that it's doubtful that both players will be capable of solving them all correctly within the time constraints and pressure of the clock. So, mistakes will abound, and victory often goes to the one who makes the second-to-last mistake.
What is "2+2=5" mean? It is a mistake and there is only one solution to make it right. That is just it. The point of what he said is you confuse your enemy with a sacrifice so deep that there is only one solution and it so hard to find.
Aug 2, 2024
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#38
To beat a dead horse, sometimes you must take it out of any comfort zone. Something to do with Kenny loggins, I fink?
Jan 28, 2025
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#40
This quote by Mikhail Tal, a legendary chess player, is a metaphor for his style of playing chess and his philosophy of competition. Here's what it means:
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"Take your opponent into a deep dark forest": This symbolizes leading your opponent into a complex, unclear, and challenging position. It suggests creating scenarios where the opponent feels lost or uncertain.
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"Where 2+2=5": This represents situations that defy normal logic or conventional thinking. In chess, it could mean creating positions that are so unconventional or unexpected that they appear illogical but have hidden depth and brilliance.
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"The path leading out is only wide enough for one": This implies that only one player can navigate through the complexity to emerge victorious. It emphasizes that the struggle is intense and that success requires ingenuity, courage, and determination.
Overall, the quote reflects Tal's approach to chess: creating complications and dynamic situations where creativity and intuition can triumph over rigid logic and calculation. It also suggests the importance of pushing your opponent out of their comfort zone to gain an advantage.