mickynj,
First,
I want to thank you for your quick response!
Ah I did not realize that the clock move count is not official. That explains it. Since I do not play in many tournaments and in the ones I have I have used my opponents clock. Is it proper etiquette to just ask the opponent to take a break while the clock counts down to the next time control? Or, do I have to turn it off an restart with new time control?
Mickynj,
Very helpful. the part where you keep those unspent minutes is where I thought was illegal but i was not sure at all. so this was very helpful because that method keeps the continuity of the game and it also gives you a bonus if you get your 40 minutes in. Thank you so much. If you near cincinnati try playing in the Kings Island open. It is one of the larger ones in the midwest. I just have only played it a couple of times and i used my opponents clocks.
Thanks again!
I only know how to set the clock in france, not the type americans. But in generally it needs delay after a few seconds plus ninety minites increment, isn't it?
mickynj, if the clock behaves as you describe then it is not a valid clock for tournament use. I have personally seen these clocks in action in situations where this feature would make a difference due to one player being in time trouble, and they act as I would expect - meaning that they operate the way I stated above.
WhenYoureaJet, I have googled and looked everywhere and it is clear this clock does not understand the move limit per 100 minutes. It only understands the time. So if I hit move 40 within 100 minutes and its my apponents turn and his time expires his flag will drop and next time control will start I can declare victory because he did not make his move in time. But lets say we both get done way before time control. Let's say I am white and I just made my 40th moves in 45 minutes. And its my opponents turn and he is black and he is going to make his 40th and he makes it and now has used 30 minutes (way too fast) Since the clock does not know about the number of moves set for the 1st time control, (infact there is no programming the clock to know this) the clock continues to run. As I understand it we do not go to the next time control until the time runs out in my situation. So assuming I reach the first time control on move on our move 50 then at that point we both get 60 minutes added to our time. I would have total of 60 and if my opponent had 20 minutes left he would then have 80 minutes. If in this scenario you must go to the next time control when the first player hits 40 then I have to stop the clock to reset it because it is not smart enough. That is my concern this clock DGT North American is used everywhere and I would think that would be a big hassle if at move 40 and time was left over on both sides you had to adjust the clock for 1st player and then again when the second player reaches 40 moves which should be on the next half move.
WhenYoureaJet, I have googled and looked everywhere and it is clear this clock does not understand the move limit per 100 minutes. It only understands the time. So if I hit move 40 within 100 minutes and its my apponents turn and his time expires his flag will drop and next time control will start I can declare victory because he did not make his move in time. But lets say we both get done way before time control. Let's say I am white and I just made my 40th moves in 45 minutes. And its my opponents turn and he is black and he is going to make his 40th and he makes it and now has used 30 minutes (way too fast) Since the clock does not know about the number of moves set for the 1st time control, (infact there is no programming the clock to know this) the clock continues to run. As I understand it we do not go to the next time control until the time runs out in my situation. So assuming I reach the first time control on move on our move 50 then at that point we both get 60 minutes added to our time. I would have total of 60 and if my opponent had 20 minutes left he would then have 80 minutes. If in this scenario you must go to the next time control when the first player hits 40 then I have to stop the clock to reset it because it is not smart enough. That is my concern this clock DGT North American is used everywhere and I would think that would be a big hassle if at move 40 and time was left over on both sides you had to adjust the clock for 1st player and then again when the second player reaches 40 moves which should be on the next half move.
You move into the second time control immediately upon making YOUR 40th move. Your opponent enters the second time control immediately upon making HIS 40th move. Any remaining time a player does not spend in the first time control is retained for use during the second time control. If you have 20 minutes unused in the first time control after you make your 40th move, then you still keep that 20 minutes. If the second time control adds 15 more minutes, then after your 40th move your clock will go from 20 minutes up to 35 minutes.
The time control you are in has nothing to do with how much time you have spent in that time control. The time control you are in is only dependent on how many moves you have made.
It's always good to remember that the clock's move counter is completely irrelevant when is comes to making any claims. The Tournament Director will, and should, ignore it. They will always refer to the score sheet while resolving any claims.
Yes, but this conversation is not dealing with making a claim, only to get the clock to automatically switch to the next time control appropriately and deal with any unspent time accordingly.
But the clock does that automatically. And the unspent time carries over to the next time period, as it should
I agree, but my understanding of the OP's statements is that he didn't know that was how the clock operates.
Yep i think I am good. mikynj and whenYoureAJet. Thank you both for taking the time to comment and give help. I do appreciate it and I cannot wait to try the clock out at the tournament. It will be fun.
I see everyone is using it and it was only $39 10 less than normal. Take care all!
I will post here how it the tourny worked out.
I find that is one of the most annoying parts of having so many children in open tournaments. 90% of the children themselves have great etiquette but 90% of their parents are rude and clueless. I could fill pages with the stuff I've experienced and seen but the clock thing is my #1 pet peeve. How can you come to a tournament that requires a clock but not have set it up ahead of time?
Parents are the worst. yes it It is bad when people do not come prepared. I will have new batteries everything set up ahead of time
Well Im old man of 53 so My kids are grown and are close to beating me in chess. They never took interest in it. One of my sons had real promise but got board. To much excitement on Playstation. The endorphin's are raging
@Mickyn and Whenyoureajet, Thanks for all the clock help. It worked perfectly and I scored 4 our 5 no losses 3 wins 2 draws and won money. Gained 274 rating points. I played all the top players in that section. Thanks again. I totally forgot to follow up and thank you both.
My apologies. Thanks again!
@WhenYourAJet,
Thanks for all the clock help. It worked perfectly and I scored 4 our 5 no losses 3 wins 2 draws and won money. Gained 274 rating points. I played all the top players in that section. Thanks again. I totally forgot to follow up and thank you both.
My apologies. Thanks again!
@mickynj,
Thank you very much! It was a ton of practice and study. Now i am out of the basement rating range at least and qualify for the the under 1250 section this year. So I will trying my luck there. I continue to practice and my study plan.
how can i set dgt north american chess clock with 5 min. and 2 second increment
I see this clock at tournament all the time used so i assuming it is not rare. But I want to set the DGT NA to 1st Time control 40 moves in 100 minutes
2nd time control game 60 minutes
delay 10 sec
When I try using preset 23 but it does not give an option to enter number of moves per time control. infact I do not see any preset controls where move count is entered. So how does the clock know when to transfer to 2nd time control. D you have to do this manually. If so I cannot find instructions on how to do this.
If any one can help I really appreciate it. Sorry I am a bonehead.