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KingRobertI

I want to pick up a chess rule book but don't know which one is the "Official" book. I know the USCF claims to have an official book but I don't know if that's the actual book if there is one. Does anyone have the right answer to this. Thanks.

DrawMaster

If you will be playing over-the-board tournament chess in the USA, then the USCF Official Rule Book IS THE BOOK to have, if you want a rule book.

Here's a link:

http://main.uschess.org/content/view/7752/28/

bobbyDK

you can also look at the FIDE handbook http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook

especially the laws of the chess:
http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=124&view=article

Ben_Dubuque

I am Going to use that to force an opponent accept my draw offer

PrawnEatsPrawn
jetfighter13 wrote:

I am Going to use that to force an opponent accept my draw offer


You cannot force an opponent to accept your draw offer.

Ben_Dubuque

well he has to follow fide rules doesnt he

PrawnEatsPrawn
jetfighter13 wrote:

well he has to follow fide rules doesnt he


 

Best you understand them first.

 

A draw offer is entirely different to claiming a draw.

Ben_Dubuque

I claimed a draw, and he refuses to accept it, and move on. Its a team match to, and if you are ondering it is with a member whose tag is don... (the ... means I forget the rest)

PrawnEatsPrawn
jetfighter13 wrote:

I claimed a draw, and he refuses to accept it, and move on. Its a team match to, and if you are ondering it is with a member whose tag is don... (the ... means I forget the rest)


 

A claimed draw requires no agreement from your opponent.

 

Seriously now, read the rules carefully.

Ben_Dubuque

I did, but the stupid chess.com computer wont take into effect that there was a draw by repitition, and I did claim it like 5 times

goldendog

Link the game?

Ben_Dubuque

sure

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=47461192

the only reason I played on was to avoid losing on time, also he blunderd his rook

Martin_Stahl

Yeah, it looks like you had a valid claim as of move 44. After you made the move the Offer Draw button should have changed to Claim Draw if everything was working as expected (I think). I recall some kind of issue with how that has worked in the past.

Martin_Stahl
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Yeah, it looks like you had a valid claim as of move 44. After you made the move the Offer Draw button should have changed to Claim Draw if everything was working as expected (I think). I recall some kind of issue with how that has worked in the past.


Topic about the bug I was remembering. It reads a bit disjointed as I think some of the posters in that topic may have closed their accounts.

May not actually be fixed yet.

BlueKnightShade
jetfighter13 wrote:

I did, but the stupid chess.com computer wont take into effect that there was a draw by repitition, and I did claim it like 5 times


Now I don't know how it works on the chess.com computer, but normally you need to claim it at the right moment (check the officials rules for which you got links). It can NOT be claimed later on in the game (unless of course if the repetition occurs once again).

Ben_Dubuque

no I played that variation with draw in mind because I was a rook down

grifter2600

I know this is a very old post but I thought I would put my two cents in and maybe help someone who comes across this post from a search engin.

The three move repetition rule is not a simply about the moves but instead a rule referring to a repetitive position. I interpret the rule like this: the initial position will be count 0, that is, 40… Qd5+, is the starting position and therefor count zero. Now when this position (Kd2 Qd5+) repeats, the count will increment by one.  Move 42… Qd5+ is the repetition and increments the count to one. Move 44… Qd5+ is the second iteration of that position and increments the count to 2. Now if this position occurs once more there is a valid claim. Move 45. Kc2 Qc5 seems to break this repetition but it does not because the original position (Kd2 Qd5) is still possible. Move 46. Qc3 … is what in fact breaks this repetition and voids any claim on that position.

In short you missed claiming the draw by “three move repetition” by one move. 

EscherehcsE
grifter2600 wrote:

I know this is a very old post but I thought I would put my two cents in and maybe help someone who comes across this post from a search engin.

The three move repetition rule is not a simply about the moves but instead a rule referring to a repetitive position. I interpret the rule like this: the initial position will be count 0, that is, 40… Qd5+, is the starting position and therefor count zero. Now when this position (Kd2 Qd5+) repeats, the count will increment by one.  Move 42… Qd5+ is the repetition and increments the count to one. Move 44… Qd5+ is the second iteration of that position and increments the count to 2. Now if this position occurs once more there is a valid claim. Move 45. Kc2 Qc5 seems to break this repetition but it does not because the original position (Kd2 Qd5) is still possible. Move 46. Qc3 … is what in fact breaks this repetition and voids any claim on that position.

In short you missed claiming the draw by “three move repetition” by one move. 

Nope, Black could have indeed claimed a draw (or should have been able to claim a draw) on move 44.

Lagomorph

Sorry grifter , you are incorrect.  As EscherehcsE points out the draw can be claimed after move 44.

The rules (FIDE) say :The game may be drawn if an identical position is about to appear or has appeared on the chessboard at least three times (see Article 9.2)

Position appearing at least three times is the rule, not four as you are suggesting.

grifter2600
Lagomorph wrote:
The rules (FIDE) say :The game may be drawn if an identical position is about to appear or has appeared on the chessboard at least three times (see Article 9.2)

Position appearing at least three times is the rule, not four as you are suggesting.

...I stand corrected. The initial position does indeed count as the first iteration.

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