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kenardi

I have not seen the movie yet... I am looking forward to watching the movie.  Watching the trailers, one in particular I find a little unbelievable... I'm talking about this clip:

Look at the clock when Fischer finally arrives (his clock on the left):

Seems an hour has past... and what does he do, adjust the pieces.  (Not sure why the other clock has advanced 50 seconds?  Nobody has moved yet...) Does anyone recall Bobby Fischer being an hour late for a tournament match?  I cannot even find record of this game taking place... maybe I need to look more.

I'm sure more questions will be asked once we all see the movie.

CanonicalKnight

I'll look through my books, but I know on the first day Fischer arrived at the Stadium at 5:00 when the game was due to start, so he was a few minutes late due to traffic.

ETA: July 7, 1972 - 20 minutes late.

July 11, ditto - 7 minutes late.

July 16, ditto - 8 minutes late.

July 17, ditto - 15 minutes late

He was late for 20 out of 21 games in Reykjavik, but not seriously late.

kenardi

Never mind the game, I can't even find a chess player from the 20th century named Ivanovich (can't make out the first name) that played for the USSR, or any other country.

At least they didn't stretch the truth... 

I guess they just completely made it up.  Way to disappoint Hollywood!

TheOldReb
CanonicalKnight wrote:

I'll look through my books, but I know on the first day Fischer arrived at the Stadium at 5:00 when the game was due to start, so he was a few minutes late due to traffic.

ETA: July 7, 1972 - 20 minutes late.

July 11, ditto - 7 minutes late.

July 16, ditto - 8 minutes late.

July 17, ditto - 15 minutes late

He was late for 20 out of 21 games in Reykjavik, but not seriously late.

Fischer had his reasons for being late to most of his games . 

CanonicalKnight
Reb wrote:
CanonicalKnight wrote:

I'll look through my books, but I know on the first day Fischer arrived at the Stadium at 5:00 when the game was due to start, so he was a few minutes late due to traffic.

ETA: July 7, 1972 - 20 minutes late.

July 11, ditto - 7 minutes late.

July 16, ditto - 8 minutes late.

July 17, ditto - 15 minutes late

He was late for 20 out of 21 games in Reykjavik, but not seriously late.

Fischer had his reasons for being late to most of his games . 

I'm sure he did--I didn't mean to sound like I was ranting on the guy. :)  I know for the first game, traffic around the stadium was horrendous and they couldn't get through, for example.  I've always wondered, though, how much was gamesmanship to throw his opponent off and how much was, "Oops!  Where the heck did I leave my toothbrush?".

MoxieMan

I believe Fischer once showed up almost an hour late against Reshevsky, who by then was expecting to win on forfeit. When Bobby showed up, Sammy was shocked, and he quickly erred into a lost position.

Not sure when. Mid or late sixties, I believe.

kindaspongey

"... the Interzonal held in Sousse in 1967 ... Fischer ... came out of the starting gate on fire, scoring an overwhelming 6.5 out of 8. However, a dispute over the scheduling of some of his games led to Fischer's withdrawing, although he was the clear leader at the time. ... When this game was scheduled to play, neither Reshevsky nor the tournament organizers expected Fischer to appear. However, working behind the scenes, the U. S. Chess Federation Executive Director Ed Edmundson had persuaded Bobby to return to the tournament while Edmundson attempted to make things right. Fischer agreed, and with only a few minutes left before the expiration of one hour on his clock - which would have meant Fischer would have lost by forfeit - Bobby suddenly appeared and banged out his e-pawn to e4. A stunned Sammy never quite got over the surprise and Bobby defeated him without much difficulty. ..." - Karsten Müller (2009)

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d6 9. h3 h6 10. d4 Re8 11. Nbd2 Bf8 12. Nf1 Bd7 13. Ng3 Na5 14. Bc2 c5 15. b3 Nc6 16. Be3 cxd4 17. cxd4 Nb4 18. Bb1 a5 19. a3 Na6 20. Bd3 Qc7 21. Qe2 Qb7 22. Rad1 g6 23. Qb2 Qb8 24. Bb1 Kh7 25. dxe5 dxe5 26. Nxe5 Rxe5 27. Bf4 Qb7 28. Bxe5 Ne8 29. Ne2 Nc5 30. Nf4 b4 31. a4 Bc6 32. Nd5 Nd7 33. Bd4 Ng7 34. Bd3 Ne6 35. Bc4 Re8 36. Bf6 Nec5 37. Qc2 Ne6 38. Ba1 Qa7 39. Kh1 Bg7 40. Bxg7 Kxg7 41. Bb5 Bxb5 42. axb5 Rb8 43. Qc6 Nef8 44. e5 Kg8 45. Nf6+ Nxf6 46. exf6 Rb6 1-0

(Some sources give moves 40-44 as 40. Bxg7 Nxg7 41. Bb5 Bxb5 42. axb5 Rb8 43. Qc6 Ne8 44. e5 Nf8.)

"... the organizers refused to reverse an initial forfeit of [Fischer's] game with Gipslis that had been imposed because of the scheduling conflct. ... [Fischer] then withdrew again, and this time for good. ..." - Karsten Müller (2009)

kenardi
ylblai2 wrote:

 

now that sounds interesting.

Rsava

I thought he was really late to one of the WC games? I was only 10 then and the mind is fuzzy ...

Rsava

That is a great scene. Total psych-out maneuver.

kindaspongey
kenardi wrote:

now that sounds interesting.

I believe that Brady wrote in some detail about these sorts of incidents.

bobbymac310

However the flag on the clock would have been up as the minute hand approached 12. He would have forfeted if it fell. 

kenardi

[COMMENT DELETED] quoted wrong post...

kenardi
ylblai2 wrote:
kenardi wrote:

now that sounds interesting.

I believe that Brady wrote in some detail about these sorts of incidents.

Brady?

NJCat

Watch the HBO documentary "Bobby Fischer Against the World." Fischer was late for the first game of the WC match and was forfeited for the second game after not showing up at all.

kindaspongey
kenardi wrote:

Brady?

Endgame by Frank Brady

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/books/review/McClain-t.html?_r=0

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708103430/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review811.pdf

Also wrote Profile of a Prodigy.

JamieKowalski

At the 1 minute mark in the clip, Bobby's clock seems to have suddenly advanced another 40 minutes, and he still hasn't forfeited. However, this is just in time for the camera to get a nice view of the second hand, so it's totally warrented. 

And then, as if to say "Got the shot," the clock jumps back again.

Diakonia

Hollywood got ahold of the movie, so of course they are going to take some "liberties"  I got a chance to see it, and if you can let go of the nit picky things in the movie, then its well worth seeing.

akafett

One thing you have to keep in mind is that when film makers are conveying what we view as an exciting game onto the big screeen, certain elements must be added/changed for the benefit of those viewers who would otherwise equate the watching of a chess game with watching grass grow.

So, I'm not going to nit pick as long as they avoid blunders.

kenardi
JamieKowalski wrote:

At the 1 minute mark in the clip, Bobby's clock seems to have suddenly advanced another 40 minutes, and he still hasn't forfeited. However, this is just in time for the camera to get a nice view of the second hand, so it's totally warrented. 

And then, as if to say "Got the shot," the clock jumps back again.

And when Fischer finally hits the clock, the ticking stops... I guess his opponent has a digital clock.  Laughing

Cutting off the ticking like that is so much more dramatic... and expected.

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