Pawns VS Pieces

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EnoneBlue

Lets say you have 3 pawns for a minor piece. What's the best way to use the pawns against their piece? and if you had the piece, what is the best way to use that piece against the pawns? ( example: trade pawns/trade pieces/pawn storm..etc)

EDIT:

From experience I found that 3 pawns are way superior in the endgame IF they are connected. If the pawns are not connected the piece is usually better.

In the middle game I found that it can very depending on the position

what do you guys think?

iBEAST

vs a bishop blockcade as many same color dialongials

EnoneBlue
iBEAST wrote:

vs a bishop blockcade as many same color dialongials


 hmm thats interesting, what about the principal of getting your pawns off of same colored squares as the bishop? does that not apply?

xMenace

To take those pawns requires expending time and probably space. As the holder of the extra piece, I would choose to use my superior development to launch an immediate attack against whatever was logical. I'm looking for a few things: mate, queen, exchange, or even win a pawn or weaken them.

As holder of a pawn advantage, I'd think you'd want to exchange down pieces and advance the pawns  as connected and with as much support as possible. The further they advance, the stronger they become as well as potentially weaker. Kings will be crucial.

zlhflans

3 pawns & a king is worth a rook or less almost always.

MBickley

Advance the pawns, pass the pawns, trade pawns, avoid trading pieces if you had the pawns.

Trade off pieces, blockade the pawns, try to trade off pawns in order to ruin the pawn structure and attack the pawns (Also known as targets).  Try to lock the pawns on squares they can be attacked on.  In some cases, purposefully make a bishop "bad" in order to prevent the pawns from advancing.  All these tips apply to when you have an extra piece.

xMenace
zlhflans wrote:

3 pawns & a king is worth a rook or less almost always.


 But three pawns alone is worth only a minor piece. A bishop can easily stop them.

Skeptikill
xMenace wrote:
zlhflans wrote:

3 pawns & a king is worth a rook or less almost always.


 But three pawns alone is worth only a minor piece. A bishop can easily stop them.


it depends on the position and what is left on the board. If it is just 3 pawns against a bishop or a knight or a rook alone i would much prefer the 3 pawns!

rollingpawns

Yesterday I had an online game with R+7P vs. R+N+3P, 4 of my pawns were connected passed pawns on the queenside. His pieces couldn't do anything, just watch how my pawns advanced with the help of the rook. 

xMenace

I wanted to post this earlier, but i was still playing it. It's an example of winning with the piece.

 

I'd love to see anyone's game where three pawns won, preferrably from the middlegame.

 

Enjoy.

ADK

I think if it was K+P+P+P vs. K+B Or K+N, the K+P+P+P will have a huge advantage.

ADK

goldendog

Don't worry about your pieces; they are like baby teeth and you can afford to lose all of them because you just promote your pawns to a new set. Your opponent will be confused by this strategy and probably blunder and resign.

brandonQDSH

I think if it was K+P+P+P vs. K+B Or K+N, the K+P+P+P will have a huge advantage.

ADK

UM . . . HUGE advantage is an understatement considering if you're the side with K + 3P you um . . . CAN'T LOSE!!

But seriously, xMenance has a good example of how usually the piece is much better than extra pawns. It's like almost 100% to have a Bishop or Knight vs. 2 extra pawns. Against 3 pawns, well, I guess that's why it's close to even and the other side can battle back.

If you have good piece activity though, the extra piece will often matter a lot. 2 Knights+ 1 Bishop  + 3 pawns VS. 1 Knight and 1 Bishop and 6 pawns; it's good to have the extra piece if you know how to use it. But if you have a lot of pawns on the board, it's hard to use the Bishop to maximum efficiency.

dlordmagic

In the endgame, K-P-P-P hands down. If the pawns are chained together the you can get a win. slowly though. I once had this endgame, K-N-P vs K-R and won, because he couldnt get his king close enough to stop my king from dipping behind my pieces to get out of a rook check.That went on for like 30 moves going up the board slowly. I have it my archives here, so ill post that one. Once I find it.

Qwertykeyboard

Depends on pawn position. If it's two a pawns and a h pawn, you'll be picked off. A pawn mass can easily break through.

MyNames

The only way for the K+B to lose against the K+3P is this way

Jon_MaL

Try your knight to make a triple fork

AtahanT
MyNames wrote:

The only way for the K+B to lose against the K+3P is this way

 


Huh? Black is going to win most likely? Please explain?

EnoneBlue
MyNames wrote:

The only way for the K+B to lose against the K+3P is this way

 


Yea white wins easily with Kf7!

its impossible for black to win

pawnstogo

It all depends on the position and the location of your king.