uscf is lenient with promotion, fide aint. Period.
Promoting Pawn Rules
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Jan 26, 2016
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Yes, when would fide punish you? What would you have to do first?
Jan 26, 2016
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FIDE doesn't forfeit you unless you have previously made an illegal move.
Here's the rules - FIDE and USCF:
FIDE - If you push a pawn to the end of the board, and hit the clock, failing to make it a Queen, Rook, Bishop, or Knight, it is counted as an illegal move. In FIDE events, 2 illegal moves in the same game is an automatic forfeit, so if you previously made an illegal move, and then you push a pawn to the 8th rank (1st rank if you are Black) and fail to make it a piece, you have officially lost.
If it is the first illegal move you made in that game, your opponent gets 2 minutes added to his clock AND you are under strict obligation to make it a Queen, even if you declared it a Knight, it's a Queen, like it or not!
In addition, if there is no piece available, you must stop the clock and summon a director to get you the desired piece. An upside down Rook is NOT a Queen, it's a Rook! It's not an illegal move, but you officially are the proud owner of a Rook!
USCF - If you push a pawn to the 8th rank (1st if you are Black), and hit the clock, the opponent has every right to hit the clock back at you (this needs to change given that increment tournaments are becoming more popular - it should be an illegal move - are you USCF executives listening to me? Start following FIDE RULES you morons!).
I even had a game that was both sides in severe time trouble. He had 6 seconds, I had less than 10 but don't recall the exact number, I want to say 3, but not sure. 5 second delay. He pushed e8 and hit the clock (he was White), I hit it back. Said nothing. Am under no obligation to. Actually, the first time I said you have to make it something, but he hit the clock back, and I hit it right back at him, he did it one more time, I hit it back at him, and he let the 5 seconds delay and 6 seconds off his clock and I claimed a win on time. Just following the rules dude!
There are a number of USCF rules that are in DIRE NEED of being changed to what FIDE uses. There's too much freaking ambiguity in the USCF Rulebook. The following need to be done, just flat out, no questions asked:
- Pushing a pawn to the 8th should be an illegal move if not made into something other than a pawn or king
- The writing of the move must occur after the move is made, not before. First, until 2011, you could write the move, think about it, and then erase or play the move written. Then in 2011, it was said that you could "write the move then make it" or "make the move then write it", but that "note taking" was illegal. The interpretation of that was ambiguous. Some directors thought that meant you could write it first, think, change it as long as it was completely erased, and put in a new move. Others, like myself, read it as that you could write the move and immediately play it, but you could not write a move and then think, that's notes! Finally, I have heard that they went to must move first, but haven't seen it written anywhere.
- The stupid "Variation" rules need to be removed. I don't see advanced announcement of which is used, and when you report to the director, the director reads "Variation I", and says ok, we'll use this variation to avoid an argument. What kind of BS is that? For example, Rule 10I2 is that the King must be touched first to castle, but then there is this "Variation I" of Rule 10I2 that says the Rook can be touched first to castle. Well for crying out loud, make it one or the other, don't leave it up for deliberation between directors! UGH - Someone replace the stupid board with people that will put in rules that have no chance at mis-interpretation. Trump sucks as a POTUS, but maybe he's who we need to lead the USCF!
Is it a joke?
How are you an NM and still keep asking these silly questions here?
Fide rules too allows to promote in different ways.
| 4.6 |
The act of promotion may be performed in various ways:
If an opponent’s piece stands on the square of promotion, it must be captured. |
I want to make you aware than if you use an upside down Tower why you think is a queen, is not an illegal move until you move it as a tower, It becomes illegal move once you move it diagonal as queen can do.
An upside down tower is always a tower and not a queen.
***GnrfFrtzl wrote whatever he said.***
Some NMs have never played a FIDE tournament, lets say, then what would you say bout that?
Snail28 írta:
***GnrfFrtzl wrote whatever he said.***
Some NMs have never played a FIDE tournament, lets say, then what would you say bout that?
Then I'd say that I find it weird how a master of a field can be unaware of how his own field works.
One more reason why I have no intention of ever playing a rated OTB game.
Jan 26, 2016
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#13
well that's too bad for you since playing OTB games are so much fun
stuzzicadenti ha scritto:
Just take the pawn off the board and put a queen or whatever piece you want.
not really wathever piece...
... queen, rook, bishop or knight of the same colour on the intended square of arrival. (3.7e)
in FIDE, ur allowed to pause the clock when u promote, and find a queen so u dont lose time . Simple.
i just lay the pawn on its side if there ain't no queen.
I'm working on a program to promote pawn rules. People must know what pawn rules are. The en passant--
Pawns can move twice or once on their first move.
Pawns can promote to any piece on the board except the king or a pawn.
Help me promote these pawn rules!
Can you place your rooks upside down?
it sounds like an upside down rook counts as a rook.
I mean just for normal gameplay, set up your pieces so that the rooks are upside down.
It sounds like FIDE implies there is nothing illegal about that.
xman720 ha scritto:
Can you place your rooks upside down?
it sounds like an upside down rook counts as a rook.
I mean just for normal gameplay, set up your pieces so that the rooks are upside down.
It sounds like FIDE implies there is nothing illegal about that.
incredible but actually it's not illegal and can be replaced in a right position with a simple "J'adoube".
However I suggest to not abuse of it, if you do it just for fun, it can be considered as a disturb, and this can be called.
Hi everyone, recently I have been wondering what was the right way to promote a pawn when it gets to the end of the board. I am wondering this because previously I have seen pawns promoted the wrong way in fide tournaments and it counted as a loss. So my question would be, what is the right way to promote a pawn? What is the incorrect method which we should avoid? Also, does it matter if it is fide or uscf rated? If so, what is the difference in rules? Thanks for your help!