Question about norms at the Olympiad

Are 7 rounds enough to score a norm at the Chess Olympiad?

The question is about someone who has performed according to the requirements for the next norm, but the question is whether or not 7 rounds suffices to acquire a norm in the Olympiads.

That does explain. I did quite some research, including reading the online page of the FIDE handbook on title regulations, and could not find the answer. If I could find the answer on a page as inaccurate on the topic as WikiPedia, I would not be putting my question on the Chess.com forum but use 10 seconds of Google instead.

By default, a title norm scored in the Olympiad counts for 20 games. What I could not find, is if one can obtain a norm in the Olympiad with playing only 7 games. I think that 7 games indeed suffices, but I found the information in the FIDE handbook to be rather ambiguous and unclear. And that is why I asked it here.

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A norm requires rather complex criteria, such as a certain number of titled players coming from several different federations, in which you are required to obtain a certain TPR over a certain number of points. It is far more complex than just "scoring three wins suffices for a norm". Again: if it was that simple I would not have uttered this forum thread.

I already indicated that the player in question has actually met the requirements that would suffice for a norm over 7 games, so discussing what would be needed for a norm is off-topic here. The question is whether the Olympiad is a tournament where norms can be achieved for a sufficient performance over 7 games. I asked because the FIDE handbook is not explicitly clear that the Olympiad is such a tournament. What you and I "think" is completely meaningless; I want an answer from someone who actually knows.

The FIDE handbook states that one requires "two or more norms in tournaments covering at least 27 games". That means that two norms in the Olympiad would suffice, since every norm obtained there accounts for 20 games by default.

A minimum of played games within a tournament is required for a norm. This is usually 9 rounds, but there are situations where one needs only play 7 or 8 games to be able to achieve a norm. My question is whether the Olympiad is in the category of tournaments which require only 7 games for a norm.

As of now, I have no answer to this question.

I numbered your questions so that I can answer them accordingly. I am glad that you ask these questions, because they allow for information to be acquired more broadly.

1) A norm is achieved by a complex of overall tournament performance, a minimum number of titled players one faces, and the variety of federations that one's opponents come from.
If in a 9-round tournament I win 5 games and lose 4, I have a lower overall performance than when I win 3 and draw 6 against the same squat of players. In the first case I won two more games but it is less likely that I will score a norm.
Also: a GM with 2300 is worse for meeting the norm requirements than a GM with 2800, because the average opponent's rating is something that weighs heavily on the requirements to score norms. A too-low-rated opponent in round 8 or 9 means that one would be forced to score an extra half point, which  has deprived many players of norms.
9/9 against nine 2800 GMs from one's own country does not suffice for a norm, since the performance does not meet the requirement for the variety of federations. However, 6/9 against nine 2500 GMs from nine different countries likely does suffice for a norm.

2) In spite of the level of validity of this point and the condescending non-sequitur involving WikiPedia, the player I am implying with my question here has already performed such in the Olympiad (which as you may well know is being played as we speak) that the scores of said player would meet the requirements for a norm if (and, as my question goes, I want to know if this is the case for the Olympiad) the tournament itself allows for norms to be scored over 7 games.

1.41b
Only 7 games are required for 7 round World Team and Continental Team Championships.
Only 7 games are required for 8 or 9 round World Team and Continental Team Championships.
Only 8 games are required for World Cup or Women’s World Championship Tournament where these 8-game norms count as 9 games.

I am curious as to whether the Olympiad falls under one of these.

I am not speculating. I'm inquiring.

1) I don't think what you say is entirely correct. If you score 5 wins and 4 losses or 3 wins and 6 draws, it's still 5/9 in a 9-round robin against the same average rating opposition. The results aren't counted individually, or rather it doesn't matter whether you count individually or collectively, the performance rating should come out the same (the FIDE website has a performance calculator here: https://ratings.fide.com/calculator_rp.phtml). Therefore your surmise that 6/9 against 2500 GMs suffices, depends on the norm - it's not enough for a GM norm which requires a 2600 or better performance (6/9 v 2500 = 2560, which suffices for the IM norm; for the GM norm you need 7/9 against 2500) plus GMs from at least three different countries in the tournament. In other words, it doesn't actually matter what rating your individual titled or untitled opponents have as long as you get the required performance rating. Furthermore, for norm purposes it's not necessarily better to play a 2800 GM than a 2300 GM, since you're extremely likely to drop a full point against the 2800, meaning you'll have to score more points against the rest of the field. The plus is that the 2800 will up the average rating of your opponents, meaning that you can 'afford' to face weaker players in the remaining games and still score a sufficient performance.
2) As far as I know, Olympiad title norms count as 20 games, while Olympiad title performances count as 13 games (see §0.5 in the Fide handbook). However, you need to play at least 9 games in the Olympiad for the norm and/or performance to count - and for the norm to count you also need titled players from three different countries.

Speculation is "

3 wins and 6 draws is 6 points, not 5.

That's what I wanted to know. Thanks

Inconclusive means that it doesn't prove anything. Conjecture means that the information is incomplete, and incomplete evidence means that the information can't prove anything. If you gather more information, then it's not speculating anymore. It's research.

Any other questions?

Yes, you do.

From https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/B01Regulations2017

1.41 The number of games
 
  1.41a The player must play at least 9 games, however

  1.41b only 7 games are required for 7 round World Team or Club and Continental Team or Club Championships ,
only 7 games are required for 8 or 9 round World Team or Club and Continental Team or Club Championships ,
only 8 games are required for the World Cup or Women`s World Championship Tournament, where these 8 game norms count as 9 games.

  1.41c For a 9 round tournament, if a player has just 8 games because of a forfeit or Bye, but he has met the correct mix of opponents in those games, then if he has a title result in 8 games, it counts as an 8 game norm.

  1.41d Where a player exceeds the norm requirements by one or more full points, then these full points count as additional number of games when computing the total number of games for the norm achieved.
 

I've done my research and there's only one norm - Nor Mohamed Ahmed from Somalia rated 1907, the 643rd rated male player at the Olympiad.