Rapid Rating vs. Blitz Rating (Am I better at rapid, or is it because the player pool is weaker?)

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SirBenjamin429

I have noticed that my Rapid online rating has always been approximately 200 rating points higher than my online Blitz. I am around the 91st percentile in rapid and in the 75th percentile for Blitz. Am I just simply better at a Rapid time control, or is the player pool just weaker?

Does anybody know this answer? Thanks! 

Deranged
DigitalWarfare wrote:
SirBenjamin429 wrote:

I have noticed that my Rapid online rating has always been approximately 200 rating points higher than my online Blitz. I am around the 91st percentile in rapid and in the 75th percentile for Blitz. Am I just simply better at a Rapid time control, or is the player pool just weaker?

Does anybody know this answer? Thanks! 

 

Blitz ratings mean nothing.

I strongly disagree.

If anything, I think blitz ratings are the best online ratings to go by. The rapid pool of players is way too small and has a disproportionately high number of cheaters in it. It also tends to be very inflated at the bottom level, and quite deflated at the top level.

Blitz ratings are the most accurate for gauging your skill level (aside from a real life FIDE rating).

LeeEuler
Deranged wrote:
DigitalWarfare wrote:
SirBenjamin429 wrote:

I have noticed that my Rapid online rating has always been approximately 200 rating points higher than my online Blitz. I am around the 91st percentile in rapid and in the 75th percentile for Blitz. Am I just simply better at a Rapid time control, or is the player pool just weaker?

Does anybody know this answer? Thanks! 

 

Blitz ratings mean nothing.

I strongly disagree.

If anything, I think blitz ratings are the best online ratings to go by. The rapid pool of players is way too small and has a disproportionately high number of cheaters in it. It also tends to be very inflated at the bottom level, and quite deflated at the top level.

Blitz ratings are the most accurate for gauging your skill level (aside from a real life FIDE rating).

I will second this. Blitz seems to be the most frequently used time control here

AtaChess68
No idea, but my rapid rating here is about 150 points higher then my blitz.

I don’t notice a lot of cheating in rapid but that might be because I never check accuracy.
Gimfain

10/0 is the most popular time control for players starting to play chess and with so many beginners the average pool does become bit weaker. There was also bit of a rating inflation for rapid when 10/0 went from being counted as blitz rating to becoming rapid rating.

 

As for what's the most appropriate rating when it comes to chess skills, I prefer 15/10 as time control because my wins in blitz isn't because of my good moves, its because of my opponents bad moves.

FizzyBand

Rapid is really inaccurate because the player pool is weaker (beginners play more rapid and 2000+ (OTB) players play much less. Additionally updates and cheating make the pool more inconsistent. 

Anonymous_Dragon

It's common for your rapid rating to be higher than your blitz by 200-300 points. I play a lot 15/10 here.

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xor_eax

 For some people, the longer the time control is, the less blunders they make. A longer time control helps some people plan a long term strategy in a match. So it's not unusual to see people who suck at short time controls but are several hundred points in longer time controls. 

 For example, me. Im stuck at 1300 in 10' rapid here but in daily chess on another site Im usually around 1750-1850. Im practically blind when I play 10 minute matches. 

 

 

 And then you have people such as Hikaru, who contends the title of best blitz chess player, but is not that dominant at classical time control. 

ChampoftheBepoCamp

On the reverse my rapid rating is below 150 points compared to my blitz ratings, I have a hard time with rapid, I always get stuck near the 1050 range and the time is long. Blitz also is shorter so you can jump right back to another game quickly so that's what I play.

Deranged
xor_eax wrote:

 For some people, the longer the time control is, the less blunders they make. A longer time control helps some people plan a long term strategy in a match. So it's not unusual to see people who suck at short time controls but are several hundred points in longer time controls. 

 For example, me. Im stuck at 1300 in 10' rapid here but in daily chess on another site Im usually around 1750-1850. Im practically blind when I play 10 minute matches. 

 

 

 And then you have people such as Hikaru, who contends the title of best blitz chess player, but is not that dominant at classical time control. 

In fairness, Hikaru's standard FIDE rating is only about 100 points below Magnus' rating, and they're roughly similar skill level at online blitz. So the difference between his skill level at classical and at blitz isn't as big as people think. It's not as if Hikaru is just some random 2400 rated IM who dominates blitz.

ChessOfPlayer

Mix of both.  Mostly because of the different rating pool.

ChessLebaneseSalah
SirBenjamin429 wrote:

I have noticed that my Rapid online rating has always been approximately 200 rating points higher than my online Blitz. I am around the 91st percentile in rapid and in the 75th percentile for Blitz. Am I just simply better at a Rapid time control, or is the player pool just weaker?

Does anybody know this answer? Thanks! 

Both Imo

drmrboss

https://chessgoals.com/rating-comparison/

ChessLebaneseSalah

this website is so stupid I cant even quantify its stupidity. If you really think 2000 blitz chesscom is around 1961  fide then you have some serious issues

Pat_Zurr

I don't know the answer, but I do know that you have more time to evaluate the board with longer time controls which should lead to better moves, less blunders, and stronger games.  Blitz seems to be more beneficial to those who have played lots of games, have good position and pattern recognition, and good intuition.  Great blitz players did not develop this overnight.  I am sure they started with longer games before they became blitz experts.

drmrboss
ChessLebaneseSalah wrote:

this website is so stupid I cant even quantify its stupidity. If you really think 2000 blitz chesscom is around 1961  fide then you have some serious issues

Well, this website is accredited by chess.com.

In chess.com smart estimate, they use this website's algorithm.

The problem is the FIDE rating which is just a discrimination against people who dont have access to FIDE rated tournments. In online, almost everyone has equal chance ,provided that they are not still using 20 years old 2G. For example, kids in India and china are severely underrated as they dont gererally have a good chance to get Fide rated torunments. I am also "Zero" fide rated as my childhood OTB games were not FIDE rated.

ChessLebaneseSalah

exactly my point

PeeweeHermansTissues

To OP's question - I have the same 200 point gap and I think it's both mechanisms at play. We are better players with longer time controls, but ALSO the rapid player pool is significantly weaker (at least at our percentile range).

Hikaru75

Well in fairness, I think we can all admit that the majority of players especially titled ones do play blitz mostly. Hence, most of the sites strongest play blitz and most rarely if at all play rapid; making the blitz pool stronger.

Raffiboyadjian71888

does this also apply for USCF? if i were to compete in USCF with a 10 min time control ( im rated 1920) does any one have a ball park figure of where they think my rating would be ?