Should you be good at maths if you are good at chess?

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satan_llama

Recently I came across two parents while I was in the metro talking about their kids. I heard one of them say, "I don't know why my son gets such average marks in maths. His IQ is pretty high since he plays chess and is quite good at it".The other parent nodded in agreement. My first instinct was to tell them that they were wrong, but I couldn't formulate the proper way to refute their statement. What do you guys think?

tygxc

There is some correlation.
Anderssen, Steinitz, Lasker, Euwe, Nunn were mathematicians.
Capablanca, Botvinnik, Vidmar were engineers.
There are other too:
Morphy, Alekhine, Ding were lawyers.
Taimanov, Portisch musicians.
Tal a journalist.

satan_llama

How many top chess players are there? Out of them how many are such? What's the probability? There might be some correlation but is it the absolute verdict? Does chess HAVE to make you good at maths?

medelpad
High IQ doesn’t mean you are good at chess but most of the best chess players have high IQ’s
tygxc

Chess, maths, and classical music share some abstract thinking.
Those are the 3 activities Lazlo Polgar claimed to make any child excell at.

deleteeet233

Your IQ can be enhanced by playing chess. In 2010, I took a random online IQ test when I was just starting chess, and I remember it. All of my results are average. I took it once more a few months ago. Most of the results are normal; some aspects have become above average, while my abstract reasoning aspect has become superb, higher than above average. I suspect it is because I already play chess every day.

Carjbee
Math and chess have no correlation
deleteeet233

To think I am not physically active anymore. Year 2006-2010 I was very active in the gym. How much more will it be if I vigorously exercise again plus chess it will make me smarter.

Scurz34

To a certain degree I think there is correlation. Arithmetic maths has nothing to do with it, as where problem solving does correlate, as chess uses logic skills.

1969beginner

I think there may be a connection between a good memory and chess/math. All the formulas and symbols seem like they are similar to all the openings, etc.

chessterd5

IMHO, chess shares certain aspects with mathematics. But is not mathematics per se, merely a practical application of those mathematical ideas. some would be

a) the understanding of the material value of the variables(pieces) and how those values are concrete but can be manipulated, particularly through the proper use of time.

b) sequences of exchanges and how a change in the sequence will affect the final sum total of the equation.

c) geometric patterns. the beauty of chess is that all of these patterns are solely contained in a single quadrant as opposed to multiple quadrants inside of a x, y, and z axis.

FILIPP_k

Probably not at math but at problem solving yes

satan_llama

#20 it's not like I am going to talk to them about this if we ever meet again. I myself was curious to know what others think.

CraigIreland

They can be correlated to a small extent but they are entirely different specialisations. No one has time to devote to learning both Mathematics and Chess to the highest level. Carlsen barely finished High School, for example, because he had already found his vocation, years earlier.

satan_llama

But does an average Joe have any correlation? For someone who is decent at chess, let's say an 1800.

DragonDealer80

You can be good at both, it really depends.

Also, being good at math doesn't mean you're good at chess. And vice versa.

chessterd5
satan_llama wrote:

But does an average Joe have any correlation? For someone who is decent at chess, let's say an 1800.

possibly.

you could do a survey. it would provide a rudimentary answer if asked the right question.

xierliu

im extremely good at maths and just good at chess 10min rating: 880

LightningStorm_07
I am reasonably good at chess and I am 2 or 3 years advanced in math. My IQ has actually risen since taking up chess.
DrSpudnik

This subject crops up every so often. Chess and mathematics both concern themselves with systematic applications of logical problem solving, but the things they're solving are in very narrow and specific applications. I've never been particularly good at math, but I've applied myself to chess in my youth and had much better results.