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shoopi
chasm1995 wrote:

Or, this just occurred:

seen: older boy has younger sister

seen: older boy has younger brother

seen: younger brother has older sister

seen; younger brother has older brother.

You see 1 boy, therefore there is a 1/3 chance that the other sibling is a boy.

Edit: that got me all confused now.

shoopi
Kikyo_Sushi wrote:
shoopi wrote:

At least one of the children is a boy, so that leaves three options:

a. The first is a boy and the second is a girl

b. The first is a girl and the second is a boy.

c. Both are boys.

Therefore the chance that both are boys is 1/3.

A man has two children. At least one of them is a boy. What are the chances that both of them are boys? (The answer is not 1/2.)

.. but Why do we need to take into consideration the order of the children ? .. It's not mentioned that we need to ,I think.

It's a bit hard to explain this, but it's not about the order of the children, it's about probabilities.

Piecefodder
shoopi wrote:

A man was found dead in his apartment. He was sitting on a chair with his head lying on the desk infront of him. There was a gun in his right hand. There was also a tape recorder on the table. When the police entered the room and activated the tape recorder, they heard "I can't do this. I have no reason to live" and then a gun shot. How did the police immediately know that this is a murder case and not suicide?

Because they didn't have to rewind the tape?

LoekBergman

Another explanation is:

When you know that there are two children in a family, then you can have four situations:

2 girls, a boy and a girl, a girl and a boy and two boys.

Now you know that there is at least one boy. Hence, the first option is not valid. What is the chance it are two boys? 1/3.

If the question would have been 'what is the chance that the other child is a boy?' then would the chance be a 1/2, because the gender of a child is unrelated to the gender of other children in the family.

 

Concerning the dead man: if the man would have commited suicide, then could he not rewind the tape to the moment prior to the gun shot. The tape would have run to the end and still be running when the police entered the room.

shoopi
Piecefodder wrote:
shoopi wrote:

A man was found dead in his apartment. He was sitting on a chair with his head lying on the desk infront of him. There was a gun in his right hand. There was also a tape recorder on the table. When the police entered the room and activated the tape recorder, they heard "I can't do this. I have no reason to live" and then a gun shot. How did the police immediately know that this is a murder case and not suicide?

Because they didn't have to rewind the tape?

Right, that was quick.

shoopi

A car drove from point A to point B doing 40 miles per hour. It then drove back from point B to point A doing 80 miles per hour.

 

Was the average speed equal to, greater than or lesser than 60 miles per hour?

LoekBergman

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shoopi
FirebrandX wrote:
Pelikan_Player wrote:

If someone flips a coin and it turns up heads 20 times in a row, the chances that it will be tails on the 21st flip is still 50 percent. The preceding flips don't have any impact on the chances of what the next flip will be

On the "flip side", if you ask someone what the chances are of the coin landing heads 20 times in a row, the answer will not be 50%. It's all in how you form the question.

Or better yet, what are the chances of a coin landing heads 20 times in a row if it just landed tails 20 times in a row.

shoopi
FirebrandX wrote:
shoopi wrote:
Kikyo_Sushi wrote:
shoopi wrote:

At least one of the children is a boy, so that leaves three options:

a. The first is a boy and the second is a girl

b. The first is a girl and the second is a boy.

c. Both are boys.

Therefore the chance that both are boys is 1/3.

A man has two children. At least one of them is a boy. What are the chances that both of them are boys? (The answer is not 1/2.)

.. but Why do we need to take into consideration the order of the children ? .. It's not mentioned that we need to ,I think.

It's a bit hard to explain this, but it's not about the order of the children, it's about probabilities.

It's exactly the same as the "Monty Hall" problem. You can explain it six ways from Sunday and there are people that will get downright violent in their refusal to accept the math is correct. Here's the wikipedia entry on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem

Indeed.

However there is one explanation which really helps grasp the reasoning behind it (it was already mentioned here in the thread somewhere).

 

Imagine if instead of three doors, there are a million doors. Only one has a car behind it, the other 999,999 have goats. You are asked to choose one and you do. Your chances of choosing the right door is one in a million. Next, the host opens 999,998 doors which have goats behind them, leaving only the door you chose and another door. Behind one of these doors there's a car.

 

Now, do you really believe the door you chose has a car behind it? Wink

Try to explain it this way to people. It usually does the trick.

shoopi
FirebrandX wrote:
shoopi wrote:
FirebrandX wrote:
Pelikan_Player wrote:

If someone flips a coin and it turns up heads 20 times in a row, the chances that it will be tails on the 21st flip is still 50 percent. The preceding flips don't have any impact on the chances of what the next flip will be

On the "flip side", if you ask someone what the chances are of the coin landing heads 20 times in a row, the answer will not be 50%. It's all in how you form the question.

Or better yet, what are the chances of a coin landing heads 20 times in a row if it just landed tails 20 times in a row.

The preceeding 20 flips will not change the probability of the next 20 flips, just like it won't change the 50% chance of what 1 more flip will be.

Yes of course, that was my point. Just another way to say it to try and confuse people who are really bad at math / common sense.

shoopi
LoekBergman wrote:

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True.

shoopi

A man jumps from a 20 story building and falls all the way to the ground. But afterwards he didn't feel any pain. How?

 

There are two answers.

LoekBergman

1. You don't feel anything anymore the moment you have hit the ground.

2. He was already dead the moment he started to fall. This one is wrong, because dead men can't jump. He can die during the fall, that is.

keju

An old man hobbles into the war-claims office and requests compensation for injuries suffered while fighting during the first world war. He produces an old and dusty letter which reads: "I hereby declare that Angus Smith fought gallantly in the first world war under my command and sustained severe injuries in battle. -General Arthur E. Aiken, November 1921." The secretary takes one look at the letter and declares it to be fake. How did she know?

Piecefodder
shoopi wrote:

A man jumps from a 20 story building and falls all the way to the ground. But afterwards he didn't feel any pain. How?

 

There are two answers.

I guess the other answer might be that he had a parachute.

shoopi
Piecefodder wrote:
shoopi wrote:

A man jumps from a 20 story building and falls all the way to the ground. But afterwards he didn't feel any pain. How?

 

There are two answers.

I guess the other answer might be that he had a parachute.

A valid try, but he didn't (I think the fact that he "fell" all the way to the ground implies so).

 

True, he could have simply died from the fall (or in the middle of the fall from a heart attack, thanks Loek for that creative thought), therefore feel no pain afterwards.

 

What is the second solution?

LoekBergman

That is a good one Piecefodder. Or the building is a miniature building, actually only half a meter high. Now do we have already four answers.

keju
shoopi wrote:

What is the second solution?

He jumped from the second storey of the building.

shoopi
keju wrote:

An old man hobbles into the war-claims office and requests compensation for injuries suffered while fighting during the first world war. He produces an old and dusty letter which reads: "I hereby declare that Angus Smith fought gallantly in the first world war under my command and sustained severe injuries in battle. -General Arthur E. Aiken, November 1921." The secretary takes one look at the letter and declares it to be fake. How did she know?

At first I thought it was the date, but he could have wrote the letter after the war has already ended.

But of course, in 1921 the great war was not called the "first world war" yet Smile

shoopi
keju wrote:
shoopi wrote:

What is the second solution?

He jumped from the second storey of the building.

Yes that's true, he jumped from the first storey. I guess you could say that warrants some pain, but it's really not that high, and let's say he was a strong fella. And maybe the ground was soft-ish too Tongue Out