Special notation sheet for young kid?

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HandsomePuma

I'm writing this on behalf of my younger son (not the one whose account this is).  He is in Kindergarten, has not the best fine motor, hates to notate, scribbles, unreliable, messes it up. He's about 800 USCF, and many of his opponents notate well (mostly 1st - 2nd graders).  Coach is frustrated because we don't know what he doing in his games.

I had an idea of creating a custom sheet where he could circle on each move a piece type, a square letter and number, and an "x" for a capture.  It would be big print.  Is this silly?  Any other ideas?  We are at a loss.

Rudolph_Cobrato

Short of sticking a GoPro on his head to record the games, I would recommend continue with trying to teach standard notation and avoid trying to come up with another system. Algebraic notation is the language of chess and is as fundamental as say reading and writing is to English. Just keep trying to teach it and hopefully he'll get the hang of it with practice.

dcb1970

Go Pro is a great idea.

blueemu
dcb1970 wrote:

Go Pro is a great idea.

I doubt that it's legal in a tournament situation. Electronic devices are banned.

Tja_05

Except plycounters, of course. They are allowed.

MooseMouse

You can carefully consider the Monroi and related devices. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonRoi

Ziryab
He’s in kindergarten. He should be having fun. He’ll learn to notate when he is old enough.
saiea

Just asking. but why does he even need to notate? I mean I doubt he can analyse if he's just a 1 grader.

irishwaterspaniel

Your son is under 5, and it's too early for children to learn annotation. You are risking him not enjoying the game and making it work that he is forced to do.

He is not a small Adult, his brain is still developing. Wait until he is 8 or 9.

mgx9600

Track down his opponent after the game and take a picture of the opponent's score sheet.  Maybe they can even analyze the game together with the coach help.

 

Or, you can do a scantron type score sheet.  They general have less problems filling in bubbles. You can even automate the pgn generation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc2n-UjrzpY

 

mgx9600
irishwaterspaniel wrote:

Your son is under 5, and it's too early for children to learn annotation. You are risking him not enjoying the game and making it work that he is forced to do.

He is not a small Adult, his brain is still developing. Wait until he is 8 or 9.

 

The trouble is that once you go down that path, it may be impossible to get the kid to notate.  I used to think this way, now son is 9 and doesn't want to notate, says it kills the fun...  Now I think notation is a good habit to build up early, kind of like brushing teeth.

 

saiea
mgx9600 wrote:

Track down his opponent after the game and take a picture of the opponent's score sheet.  Maybe they can even analyze the game together with the coach help.

 

Or, you can do a scantron type score sheet.  They general have less problems filling in bubbles. You can even automate the pgn generation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc2n-UjrzpY

 

I mean. If a woman randomly came up and asked if they wanted to analyse it it'd be weird. A better thing would be the kid to ask if they want to analyse

saiea
mgx9600 wrote:
irishwaterspaniel wrote:

Your son is under 5, and it's too early for children to learn annotation. You are risking him not enjoying the game and making it work that he is forced to do.

He is not a small Adult, his brain is still developing. Wait until he is 8 or 9.

 

The trouble is that once you go down that path, it may be impossible to get the kid to notate.  I used to think this way, now son is 9 and doesn't want to notate, says it kills the fun...  Now I think notation is a good habit to build up early, kind of like brushing teeth.

 

I mean. If he's just playing chess for fun I don't see why analysing is even worth it.

mgx9600

The main objective is to get a copy of the score sheet.

Game analysis is secondary, but works great when both players are present; kind of like killing 2 birds with 1 stone.

saiea

Do you seriously think the kid is just going to lend her the sheet? Maybe he wants it to analyse thengame

mgx9600
saiea wrote:
mgx9600 wrote:
irishwaterspaniel wrote:

Your son is under 5, and it's too early for children to learn annotation. You are risking him not enjoying the game and making it work that he is forced to do.

He is not a small Adult, his brain is still developing. Wait until he is 8 or 9.

 

The trouble is that once you go down that path, it may be impossible to get the kid to notate.  I used to think this way, now son is 9 and doesn't want to notate, says it kills the fun...  Now I think notation is a good habit to build up early, kind of like brushing teeth.

 

I mean. If he's just playing chess for fun I don't see why analysing is even worth it.

 

He's USCF 800 at 5, which is pretty decent. So having games analyzed by his coach can be helpful.

mgx9600
saiea wrote:

Do you seriously think the kid is just going to lend her the sheet? Maybe he wants it to analyse thengame

 

Yes, this happens at lot at scholastic tournaments in the US.

saiea

Idk I don't see why he is just going to lend her it

saiea

And if the kid does lend her the sheet it'd be selfish as heck because the kid won't be able to analyse his game either so it's kind of one sided

mgx9600
saiea wrote:

Idk I don't see why he is just going to lend her it

 

It's to taking a picture of the score sheet.  It happens a lot, and at many tournaments, there are titled players available for game analysis (free) -- they especially like it if both players are present.