Tablebase?

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DanielGuel

I've heard of tablebases. I was reminded most recently in the news article about So winning the rapid portion of the GCT event in Leuven.

What exactly are tablebases, and are they necessarily that vital for chess improvement? Give me your thoughts. Thanks!

Stephen_Stanfield

I think they're engines for endgames or something like that. They calculate everything and can tell you for certain if it's a win, loss or draw.

VLaurenT

They show perfect play in positions with up to 7 pieces (kings included). They're useful to test your analysis in some cases, but I wouldn't call them "vital for chess improvement" by any means.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_tablebase

Stephen_Stanfield
AnthonyAtanasov wrote:

yup, so there are different tablebases (like 3 piece tablebases, all the way up to 7 piece tablebases). Any chess position with 7 or less pieces on the board had been calculated by computers all the way to game termination. http://chessok.com/?page_id=361 is one example of a tablebase. put in a position with 7 or less pieces and it should say something like "draw" or "mate in 368" or something like that.

That is so cool! I went to the website and tried a few positions. Will they ever have 8 piece tablebases?

MGleason

Note that tablebases are not a permitted resource in daily chess.  You can, of course, use them for post-game analysis, or for studying endgames that are not relevant to a current ongoing game.  And of course, in unrated games where both players agree, you can have whatever rules you want.

Stephen_Stanfield
MGleason wrote:

And of course, in unrated games where both players agree, you can have whatever rules you want.

I didn't know that! Wow, I wonder how many people have agreed to copy some famous game.

Stephen_Stanfield

*Has an idea*

XAJIK

but it is forbidden to use them on Chesscom in your actual games

Stephen_Stanfield
MGleason wrote:

And of course, in unrated games where both players agree, you can have whatever rules you want.

 

DanielGuel

Thank you for your answers! I guess it's something I download? Do most of those cost money? Thanks!

Stephen_Stanfield

The link above didn't need any downloading or $.

krazeechess

lol they just added tablebases in beta

DanielGuel

Lol