tactics and improvement

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DrFrankensteinn
Do you higher level chess players think doing tactics everyday for a hour or so will drastically improve your game ? Or does it not really improve with tactics but from experience of games. I would say decent chess player but I wanna become a 2000 player and that takes time and practice so can someone give me on advice on improving.
DrFrankensteinn
I only get too do few tactics on this app so I'm thinking of upgrading
urk
No, I don't believe an hour a day of tactics training will improve your game that much, and I don't believe that chess is anywhere near "99% tactics."

I still think the best way to improve is to physically play over loads of complete classic games on a real chessboard. This will give you everything and will also burn the square coordinates into your brain.

Old school!
Diakonia
DrFrankensteinn wrote:
Do you higher level chess players think doing tactics everyday for a hour or so will drastically improve your game ? Or does it not really improve with tactics but from experience of games. I would say decent chess player but I wanna become a 2000 player and that takes time and practice so can someone give me on advice on improving.

Tactics, just like chess study in general, is about quality over quantity.  It won’t matter how many tactics you study, it won’t matter how many hours a day you put in.  If you don’t thoroughly understand the problem you’re working on, it’s a waste of time.  If you aren’t understanding the theme, pawn structure, position, weakness(es), piece placement, moves that lead up to that position, you’re not going to fully understand what you’re studying.  This is why the idea that you need to solve tactics as fast as possible so your "online" rating doesn’t suffer is bull. 

 

If you’re serious about tactical improvement, do 3 things.

 

1. Set up the problems on a real board with real pieces.  If you choose to do them online.  Give yourself 2 minutes, and if you don’t solve it by then.  Set it up on a real board with real pieces. 

 

2.  Look for Forcing Moves: Checks, Captures, and Threats. 

 

 

3. Any problems you don’t get correct.  Take as much time as needed to ensure you thoroughly understand it. 

If i had to add a #4 it would be this.  Let the rating go.  If your main concern is an online number, youre only going to hold your progress back.   

DrFrankensteinn
I play over the board as well but honestly everyone I know who plays is a really weak player therefore I get no challenge. Do you guys think watching master games and playing them on a real board will improve my game ?
DrFrankensteinn
@urk do you mean play like classic games such as Karpov vs Kasparov on a board and try understanding positions ?
urk
That's what I said, yes.
There is no better way.
blueemu

One useful question to ask yourself when looking at a tactics problem is "What could I do IF...".

... if that defending piece was distracted.

... if I had one more piece in the action.

... if that line was open.

... etc.

urk
No, I mean classic games 1850-1950. Kasparov's play is too hard to understand.

You don't need to spend much time struggling to understand complicated variations, just move the pieces thousands of times.
Diakonia
DrFrankensteinn wrote:
I play over the board as well but honestly everyone I know who plays is a really weak player therefore I get no challenge. Do you guys think watching master games and playing them on a real board will improve my game ?

Play "solitaire" chess.  Find GM games, or actually any titled players.  Play the moves for both sides through move 6 or 7.  Cover up the moves, and play the side that loses.  Try and figure out the moves made in the game.

What i do is using pen and paper, i write down the candidate moves, and lines of analysis for each move.  I then look at the move made in the game.   Its a real eye opener comparing your thought process to someone better.  And there is no better feeling when you get a move right!

ChristopherYoo

Yes, tactical exercises will help your chess.  If you're under 2000, tactics should be the bulk of your training.  There are at least two big reasons for doing tactics:

1.  To improve calculation skills.  To this end, do tactics that are somewhat difficult for you and solve them completely instead of guessing at moves.

2.  To improve pattern recognition.  To this end, do lots of simple tactics and do the same ones over and over again until you can spot the answer to each of them in a second or two.  I recommend going through Susan Polgar's _Chess Tactics for Champions_ in this manner.  Do all the puzzles in the book 4 to 7 times.

urk
There are many, many players on this site who have faithfully done thousands of tactical exercises and still can't play a decent game of chess because the game in totality never clicked for them.

But I don't believe there are any who have done the old school practice as I recommend and still can't play.
blueemu

I completely agree that intermediate players will learn more from studying games from the 1850s to 1920s rather than studying modern GM games.

Morphy to Lasker... chess got a lot more complex with Alekhine and Botvinnik, let alone Kasparov et al.

ChristopherYoo
urk wrote:
There are many, many players on this site who have faithfully done thousands of tactical exercises and still can't play a decent game of chess because the game in totality never clicked for them.

But I don't believe there are any who have done the old school practice as I recommend and still can't play.

 

Maybe they're not doing it right?  It's important to do difficult tactics as well as repetitive solving of simple tactics.  Also, when doing tactics, don't move the pieces and try not to guess at moves.  You're done when you have solved all the important lines in your head.  I recommend solving tactics from books to avoid the temptation to guess at moves, although you can augment this with some computer tactics.  

Game play is also very important and shouldn't be neglected.  You're not going to get to 2000 without lots of game experience as well as excellent calculation and pattern recognition skills.  It's possible to pick up calculation and pattern recognition through games, but doing tactical exercises (in the proper way) is a quicker way to those skills.

urk
Karpov is extremely instructive but Kasparov is ridiculous and dangerous to try to emulate.
urk
I recently mashed a guy in two games of Chess960. His enormous 2444 tactics rating didn't help him any.
yureesystem

Doing tactics will improve your chess skill, any player below 2000 will dramatically get better by by doing tactics everyday.

ChristopherYoo
urk wrote:
I recently mashed a guy in two games of Chess960. His enormous 2444 tactics rating didn't help him any.

 

Lots of ways to game chess.com ratings unfortunately.  Also the same puzzles get served up all too often.  Chesstempo handles that sort of thing better--far less repetition and you get much less credit for solving a puzzle you've solved before.  At any rate, as I've mentioned, I recommend book tactics.

IpswichMatt
vlcosmin wrote:

Don't forget positional puzzles, combinations that improve your position or create weaknesses in oponents camp. They are far more important than tactical puzzles.

I don't think i've ever seen a collection of such puzzles - can you reference a book or something please?

blueemu
JMurakami wrote:
... Faster and consistent results are achieved by using books where the same motif goes again and again for several pages, not focusing on site's chess ratings (that's the same as Monopoly's money) but precise calculation, regardless of the time involved to solve each problem...

First you get good, THEN you get fast.