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If Chess were "solved" would the perfect game be a win for white or a draw?

Escapest_Pawn

draw, aint gonna support it, just voting.

GMWinner

Draw. It's one of Steinitz's laws of chess.

http://www.exeterchessclub.org.uk/General/steinitz.html

Artemi

Draw!

JRadis

There wouldnt be "the perfect play" it would be many games, if the best is a draw there must be several plays that force the game to end in that, perhaps could we chose a game that we find bettre than the others becouse that it is harder for black but regarding to the computer that finds the perfect games there is will be no difference.

Escapest_Pawn
GMWinner wrote:

Draw. It's one of Steinitz's laws of chess.

http://www.exeterchessclub.org.uk/General/steinitz.html


 Good link and thank you. Similar to my old point which I would say to anyone who'd listen, "chess is lost by the loser, not won by the winner."  Hard to prove, but the more one plays, the more one accepts that bragging about victories is naive.

I said I wasn't going to support my 1st "draw" vote, but you suckered me into it.

OmniRiot

I think white would win.  The article is very good.  I think when he says "at the beginning the forces start in equilibrium" it refers to before white moves. White has a slight advantage by definition.  This is why most chess games are won by white - though by a small percentage

Mm40

I think white because White always starts with an advantage, a one tempo advantage, but for the perfect player, that should be enough.

Benjiboy

if both players are equal at a certain point and both have perfect positions... Wouldn't an extra (forced) move ruïn this perfect position of pieces, giving black the advantage of being able to exploit white's imperfect coordination?

Nytik
Benjiboy wrote:

if both players are equal at a certain point and both have perfect positions... Wouldn't an extra (forced) move ruïn this perfect position of pieces, giving black the advantage of being able to exploit white's imperfect coordination?


 Zugzwang Smile

I dont think we're talking about perfect positions, but perfect MOVES from any position.

And I have this point to make- why do grandmasters tend to play for wins as white and draws as black?

Ziryab

The perfect game is a draw in 106 moves. Black sacrificed his last piece to force stalemate. Computers worked this out in 2347 C.E.

Benjiboy

well couldn't you assume that for every possible move there's a better countermove? and since black can have the first countermove, he would win. ( i know that white also has a countermove then but black would always have one 'better move" more, unless they draw ofc.)

 

ps: i also think it's more likely that white would win, but i'm not sure if you can rule this out.