The Role of The Subconscious In Chess

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HolyFlame777

How much of the subconscious is involved in player's final decision to make a move.  Is it your subconscious that plants that gnawing doubt in your mind concerning a move that apperas good as far as you can see.  Bobby said he didnt believe in hocus pocus he believed in good moves.  Is the subconscious hocus pocus?  What do u think Joe?

dmxn2k

I don't know how you define subconscious, but I believe intuition based on previous positions plays a part in calculating a given move....

Gnawing doubt and confidence may both come as a result of being in positions that in the past were tough or easy to deal with, respectively....

I'd like more context regarding his opinion. When did Bobby Fischer say he didn't believe in hocus pocus? 

HolyFlame777

well iremember an interviewer asked him if he believed in some thing or other and Bobby replying something to the effect "Naww, i dont believe in something or other,  I believe in good moves."

dmxn2k

I found it. He said "I don't believe in psychology. I believe in good moves."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-07-05/entertainment/9203010086_1_grandmaster-anatoly-karpov-garri-kasparov

But, as the author points out, any good chess player understands the importance of the psychology of the opponent. His comment was made prior to him winning the championship in 1972, and like a strong-willed comment from Ali or Tyson, was probably designed to psyche his opponents out. 

If that is hocus pocus, then I'm very sure he believed in it.

RonaldJosephCote

                    The interviewer asked if Bobby beleived in psyching out his opponent and his quote was, "I don't beleive in psychology, I beleive in good moves".  You have to remember bobby was not a well educated man.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Probably quite a bit.  Our memory bank draw up patterns from the subconcious. 

Psychology can help somewhat, like bringing CCE: Volume 3 with you to make people want to get queens off the board against you and likely follow mainline Berlin Walls Cool

dmxn2k

I wasn't aware of his educational level, but I do know he made that comment in German prior to becoming the de facto champion of the world in chess.

Regardless his education, he seemed to be a very intelligent man. If he didn't believe in psychology, what was the purpose of covering his face?

HolyFlame777

yes amigo dmx if stuff like that is hocus pocus then iam sure did indeed believe in it.   Dont forget Bobby accuse the Russians of planting psychics in the audience to send him negative blocking mental waves to obstruct his thought process.  that is why they wound up having the match in the back room away from the audience.  At the insistence of Bobby , which appeared an inexplicable eccentricity at the time.  But the Russianswere deep into mind control research and knew all about it.  That is a fact.

RonaldJosephCote

                   A lot of high school drop outs SEEM to be intelligent.  I have no idea wha your talking about--covering his face.

HolyFlame777

and please brother dmx do not feed into cotex, he is a satanic troller who harrases me on all my threads

ajttja

its called intuition

HolyFlame777

hmmmmm  woman's or otherwise?

Ziggyblitz

Sometimes I'll see a move that looks good but my intuition gives me doubts, and I've learnt to trust my insticts.

RonaldJosephCote

                     Between the 2 of you, you might have half a brain. Fighters psyc each other out with trash talk because its part of the culture and the game. Hocus Pocus is just THAT.  "your sure he believed in it".  I'm sure both of you beleive in hocus pocus and don't have the ability to distinguish the difference. Bobby was a high school drop-out. FACT. not a well educated man. I think the Russian mind control affects YOU pretty well thou. Listen to yourself, "negative blocking mental waves to interupt his thought process". I follow you because your hilarious. Not very bright, but hilarious. YOU asked a question in general chess discussion and I answered. Now your advising other posters not to interact with me. People will see your nonsense and paranoia for what it is. If you had a college education in psychology, maybe I'd buy your comments about the role of the subconcious, but we're FAR from that aren't we?

dmxn2k
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

                   A lot of high school drop outs SEEM to be intelligent.  I have no idea wha your talking about--covering his face.

Read the article. It says that Bobby Fischer would cover his face when he played. A lot of chess players do this every once in awhile, either out of anxiety or to hide emotion from the other player. 

Chess playing is intense and occasionally causes grimaces from some players. Some players fake it, like when Magnus Carlsen shakes his head disapprovingly at something he's done, but usually while he has a winning position and knows he is ahead.

And a lot of high school drop outs aren't bilingual, champion level chess players.

dmxn2k
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

                     Between the 2 of you, you might have half a brain. Fighters psyc each other out with trash talk because its part of the culture and the game. Hocus Pocus is just THAT.  "your sure he believed in it".  I'm sure both of you beleive in hocus pocus and don't have the ability to distinguish the difference. Bobby was a high school drop-out. FACT. not a well educated man. I think the Russian mind control affects YOU pretty well thou. Listen to yourself, "negative blocking mental waves to interupt his thought process". I follow you because your hilarious. Not very bright, but hilarious. YOU asked a question in general chess discussion and I answered. Now your advising other posters not to interact with me. People will see your nonsense and paranoia for what it is.

I'm done talking with you. I never insulted you, and everything I've said is supported by observation. You are a troll.

RonaldJosephCote

                    So if Bobby covered his face, you think he beleived in psychology???     Maybe he was tired, maybe he had an itch. How do you draw that conclution??     Your absolutely right. Everything you said is supported by observation, not FACTS.

HolyFlame777

ive already asked u to get lost in a nice way cote an now i am going to havwe people like dmx help me figure out how to block u.  You are a hissing viper!

HolyFlame777

does anybody know how i can block this creep cote?

RonaldJosephCote

                     kaynight; your just angry because I won't take you on. I gave you a chance with that military question but you blew it. Show him how to block me. I'll forward his private profane message to Kohai.

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