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Cheating on chess.com: the final proof
06/04/10 at 08:31:10
All the online chess sites have a problem with cheaters who use chess software to create their moves, what is strictly forbidden on correspondence chess sites like redhotpawn.com, gameknot.com, chess.com, chesshere.com, chessworld.net etc.
There are chess sites which seriously try to detect and ban cheaters from their site. And there are "cheater-friendly" sites like chess.com. The policy of chess.com: only if we are 100 % sure, we ban cheaters. What means, that only the dumbest cheaters are caught. But acccording to Erik, the owner of chess.com, his site does not face a cheater problem. He states on his site, that below a level of 2200 (= master chess players) the percentage of cheaters on his site is below 1 % and therefore you need not care about that topic at all.
We did not believe that, that's why we run an interesting field experiment. We wanted to know it exactly. We registered a new account on chess.com, built up a nice profile with a correspondence chess rating of around 1900 and then started to cheat! Of course we were not so stupid to run the chess software on the same PC, many chess sites check for multitask-switching. We created our chess moves using Chessbase Pocket FRITZ 4.0, the worldwide best pocket chess software, run on a Pocket PC IPAQ 114 with over 600 Mhz, quite fast. This programme reached in 2009 an ELO performance of 2900. What means that it plays better then all grandmasters and of course must beat all amateur chess players on chess.com below 2000 level without exception. As we allowed Pocket Fritz just some seconds to think over its moves instead of a tourney chess time control, the performance could have been somehow weaker, lets say only 2700 ELO, still enough to beat anybody on chess.com.
We played 50 games on chess.com. We cheated all those 50 games, but sometimes only used the second best move instead of the best one (Pocket Fritz is the only pocket chess software with a multivariant-modus, it can show the second best move, third best move etc.). Our opponents on chess.com were all rated 1700 to 1900, far away from expert level. According to Erik (you remember: cheating is a very tiny problem on chess.com). we should have won all 50 games, shouldn't we?
You will be amazed to hear the result: a whopping 14 (!!!) % of our games were either drawn or even lost. Against chess.com opponents rated 1700 to 1900 – unbelievable. This is the final prove that chess.com has a serious cheater problem! Not to mention that of couse we have not been caught cheating during those 50 games (what could for sure go on for another hundreds of games without being caught). Maybe you ask now: if those people cheated (and it's a fact, they did), why their ratings are not higher? Well, nearly nobody is so dumb to cheat every game. People cheat just sometimes. Chess.com publishes a list of caught cheaters every months and the majority of caught cheaters on this list are rated below 2000.
Dear Erik: if you read this (hopefully you do): you have created a superbe site, but your site has a serious cheater problem. You should rename your site. maybe cheater.com is the better name.
Considering that chess.com is the most expensive chess site out there (99 $ per year), clients could expect upon my opinion a better cheating-protection.
(Title modified for grammatical reasons ~SF June 4, 2010)
This is disheartening...
johnlisbonwood wrote:
CHEATER ARE USING DISCONNET TO WIN!
It happened to me 7 time in two days. I have a winning position over a player with a better raking. All of sudden the disconnect goes on. When it reconnects all my time is gone and I lose. The other player never loses time. It never happens in an even game or with a player close to my rank. I'm convinced that these player know how to activate disconnect and do it on purpose. THIER CHEATERS. Is anyone else having the same problem?
Coincidence! I do believe, that it's your internet connection.
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Cheating on chess.com: the final proof
06/04/10 at 08:31:10
All the online chess sites have a problem with cheaters who use chess software to create their moves, what is strictly forbidden on correspondence chess sites like redhotpawn.com, gameknot.com, chess.com, chesshere.com, chessworld.net etc.
There are chess sites which seriously try to detect and ban cheaters from their site. And there are "cheater-friendly" sites like chess.com. The policy of chess.com: only if we are 100 % sure, we ban cheaters. What means, that only the dumbest cheaters are caught. But acccording to Erik, the owner of chess.com, his site does not face a cheater problem. He states on his site, that below a level of 2200 (= master chess players) the percentage of cheaters on his site is below 1 % and therefore you need not care about that topic at all.
We did not believe that, that's why we run an interesting field experiment. We wanted to know it exactly. We registered a new account on chess.com, built up a nice profile with a correspondence chess rating of around 1900 and then started to cheat! Of course we were not so stupid to run the chess software on the same PC, many chess sites check for multitask-switching. We created our chess moves using Chessbase Pocket FRITZ 4.0, the worldwide best pocket chess software, run on a Pocket PC IPAQ 114 with over 600 Mhz, quite fast. This programme reached in 2009 an ELO performance of 2900. What means that it plays better then all grandmasters and of course must beat all amateur chess players on chess.com below 2000 level without exception. As we allowed Pocket Fritz just some seconds to think over its moves instead of a tourney chess time control, the performance could have been somehow weaker, lets say only 2700 ELO, still enough to beat anybody on chess.com.
We played 50 games on chess.com. We cheated all those 50 games, but sometimes only used the second best move instead of the best one (Pocket Fritz is the only pocket chess software with a multivariant-modus, it can show the second best move, third best move etc.). Our opponents on chess.com were all rated 1700 to 1900, far away from expert level. According to Erik (you remember: cheating is a very tiny problem on chess.com). we should have won all 50 games, shouldn't we?
You will be amazed to hear the result: a whopping 14 (!!!) % of our games were either drawn or even lost. Against chess.com opponents rated 1700 to 1900 – unbelievable. This is the final prove that chess.com has a serious cheater problem! Not to mention that of couse we have not been caught cheating during those 50 games (what could for sure go on for another hundreds of games without being caught). Maybe you ask now: if those people cheated (and it's a fact, they did), why their ratings are not higher? Well, nearly nobody is so dumb to cheat every game. People cheat just sometimes. Chess.com publishes a list of caught cheaters every months and the majority of caught cheaters on this list are rated below 2000.
Dear Erik: if you read this (hopefully you do): you have created a superbe site, but your site has a serious cheater problem. You should rename your site. maybe cheater.com is the better name.
Considering that chess.com is the most expensive chess site out there (99 $ per year), clients could expect upon my opinion a better cheating-protection.
(Title modified for grammatical reasons ~SF June 4, 2010)
Sad to hear this news about chess.com 
But your evidence is invalid as you used an illegal method to get this evidence (computer cheating). Just like if you video someone doing something wrong and use it for evidence in court it would be invalid as you took video without their express written consent.
You also wrote that 2700 elo is enough to beat anyone on chess.com; GM Alex Onischuk could probably draw with it, he has a 2675 elo rating.
Most of all, you cheated 
; try not to cheat next time.
Godspawn wrote:
Reason #797894322389764 why i play unrated games...slowly but surely chess.com is turning into yahoo chess.
Put a shoe in your mouth.
Truth is many so-called chess players are cheating. I'm not sure why? I do know revenge will come.......just a matter of time !
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mdober8
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Cheating on chess.com: the final proof
06/04/10 at 08:31:10
All the online chess sites have a problem with cheaters who use chess software to create their moves, what is strictly forbidden on correspondence chess sites like redhotpawn.com, gameknot.com, chess.com, chesshere.com, chessworld.net etc.
There are chess sites which seriously try to detect and ban cheaters from their site. And there are "cheater-friendly" sites like chess.com. The policy of chess.com: only if we are 100 % sure, we ban cheaters. What means, that only the dumbest cheaters are caught. But acccording to Erik, the owner of chess.com, his site does not face a cheater problem. He states on his site, that below a level of 2200 (= master chess players) the percentage of cheaters on his site is below 1 % and therefore you need not care about that topic at all.
We did not believe that, that's why we run an interesting field experiment. We wanted to know it exactly. We registered a new account on chess.com, built up a nice profile with a correspondence chess rating of around 1900 and then started to cheat! Of course we were not so stupid to run the chess software on the same PC, many chess sites check for multitask-switching. We created our chess moves using Chessbase Pocket FRITZ 4.0, the worldwide best pocket chess software, run on a Pocket PC IPAQ 114 with over 600 Mhz, quite fast. This programme reached in 2009 an ELO performance of 2900. What means that it plays better then all grandmasters and of course must beat all amateur chess players on chess.com below 2000 level without exception. As we allowed Pocket Fritz just some seconds to think over its moves instead of a tourney chess time control, the performance could have been somehow weaker, lets say only 2700 ELO, still enough to beat anybody on chess.com.
We played 50 games on chess.com. We cheated all those 50 games, but sometimes only used the second best move instead of the best one (Pocket Fritz is the only pocket chess software with a multivariant-modus, it can show the second best move, third best move etc.). Our opponents on chess.com were all rated 1700 to 1900, far away from expert level. According to Erik (you remember: cheating is a very tiny problem on chess.com). we should have won all 50 games, shouldn't we?
You will be amazed to hear the result: a whopping 14 (!!!) % of our games were either drawn or even lost. Against chess.com opponents rated 1700 to 1900 – unbelievable. This is the final prove that chess.com has a serious cheater problem! Not to mention that of couse we have not been caught cheating during those 50 games (what could for sure go on for another hundreds of games without being caught). Maybe you ask now: if those people cheated (and it's a fact, they did), why their ratings are not higher? Well, nearly nobody is so dumb to cheat every game. People cheat just sometimes. Chess.com publishes a list of caught cheaters every months and the majority of caught cheaters on this list are rated below 2000.
Dear Erik: if you read this (hopefully you do): you have created a superbe site, but your site has a serious cheater problem. You should rename your site. maybe cheater.com is the better name.
Considering that chess.com is the most expensive chess site out there (99 $ per year), clients could expect upon my opinion a better cheating-protection.
(Title modified for grammatical reasons ~SF June 4, 2010)
Too bad this research is full of flaws and/or missing essetial information to give it any credit at all.
I don't believe this number off 14% is representative. Since the article allready stated that because of their rating, they must only cheat sometimes, it would even suggest that 28-40% off the members would cheat.
Couple off questions, based on the article
1) How are the opponents chosen? Was this at random or were suspicious accounts selected?
2) "Sometimes the second (or third) best move was choosen"
a) How often?
b) Did they keep track of in which games they played a second best? (perhaps in 14% off the games they did this excessive)
c) When a secondary move was choosen, how much was it worse?
3) What is the rating off the person operating the computer?
4) How many games were actually lost? (Not stating the number whilst naming that it happens, suggest to me this did not occur often, holding back such information in its turn, puts doubt on the unprejudicity off the researchers)
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Having said this. The idea behind the article is great. Maybe chess.com staff could use this idea to their benefit?
Like I said, there should be a setting to not play people who are probably cheating.
There already is a setting to not play people who are probably cheaters, and it's enabled for everyone.
ivandh wrote:
There already is a setting to not play people who are probably cheaters, and it's enabled for everyone.
I don't see it.
Like I said, it is enabled for everyone, automatically. And there is no way to turn it off.
Cystem_Phailure wrote:
Another who has nothing to do but troll. (post #23)
Another one who has nothing to do but troll. (post #24)
Of course because all you do is troll. (post #25)
Well, we're off to a disappointing start. You know, if you're going to hold our interest, you're going to need to come up with a much better line of attack.
This is all your fault. I tracked this topic, expecting more. I'm disappointed, cystem.
Fleishkoph wrote:
Well Duh! We know about lag, but staff is missing the point.
Totally... 
Best cheating thread ever; long live the king.
Today I disconnected deliborately for the first time because someone was being rude during chat. I won a few games against him (?) and on the second game, with 2 minutes on my clock, decided to underpromote to a knight. He resigned, and I typed, "you're not going to let me checkmate with a bishop and knight?". Ever since then, he kept saying I'm nothing and giving other insults, and won the next two games. I prefer to play games out to the end to practice my defensive skills and give my opponent a chance to practice finishing people off. Well, in this last game, he got two queens, and I continued an attack against his king.
Only when it was completely obvious my attack had failed did I finally give up... but I did not click resign. I just logged out. I'm well aware that this site will give him the win, as it should. I just wanted him to have to sit there a minute or two waiting for reconnect, since he had been so rude in chat. I probably should have disconnected my cable instead. Or I should have just taken the high road and resigned, resigned, and stopped playing him. Or maybe just kept chat disabled. What would you have done in my situation? Told him after the first insult that I did not mean anything bad by wanted to practice a knight and bishop checkmate under clock pressure? I thought that would be obvious. Maybe something was lost in translation.
The ..point is to play and win , with the exception of Chess.com , it is to just play , learn and experience the great players out there and unfortunately the cheaters.
If you look at my ratings there ok but terrible in one min games.
There are a number of reasons for this, slow wireless given the time of day i play ,state of mind , and of coarse cheaters , so how many one min games have i played? thousands and still under a 1000 level? i do know by now after playing these games for over 4 years just when someone cheats and they don't by various signs and in all those thousands of games i know clearly when it is lag or a disconnect crap , so how have dealt with the frustration? Well some times i think it would be helpful to pay for a membership , and the less adds the faster my clock would respond?BUT at this point i do not take Chess.com serious, i do not take my one min games serious (no one should) and i view my experience as a learning curve and tell my self heck if i can get to the point of beating a computer (cheater) or check mate them before the disconnect, i am a head of the game .
With this said i only see one strong solution , accept the game ..once from a cheater, then use your option to block that player! select block after the game and you will not be playing that cheater again , as i will not ether , with enough of us doing this , the options to play good players will be apparent for all of us , and if you come across a honest player ..FRIEND THEM!
i had it happen to me, got on the persons page and somebody else was saying that "sorry about our game got disconnect." i think it's a cheaters trick and the people at chess.com need to figure it out or i'm gone too.
p.s. stop bickering with eachother and talk about the topic at hand you bunch of girls.
from now on if anyone get's a disconnect from a game they should put it on the person's profile. just one word. disconnected. then everyone else will be able to tell if that person does that s h i t a lot.
yeah it's still going on alright. And I am not a sore loser. I played four one minute games against Liam_Matthew16 winning the first three easily. Then suddenly he tells me in the chat box..Liam_Matthew16: i have a problem in my wifi.
I then lose this game as he is the one taking forever to move and yet it is my time that becomes expleted by massive jumps. Frustration levels very high indeed, I want this guy t be in front of me so I can stab him in the stromach Game of thrones wedding style...
yeres 30...chess is all about to play..a wise game..okay.its nothing like playing bullet and all....its better to know that it happens in blitzz and standard game also...be optimist..and stop looking for the foul