Using software to work out moves and "beat" someone
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For some one to cheat on chess.com, all it requires is a chess program where the opponent can control the opposite color. To clarify, I am playing as white and my oponent is black. I would play all blacks moves on the chess program and have white (computer) play all the best moves. Basically, anyone can cheat and there is no stopping it. OTB is the only way to go.
I posted a blog a while back. It didn't get much attention, but a player that responded and I ended up playing quite a few enjoyable games. A suggestion to anyone posting on this topic would be to challenge others who've posted. Obviously you've got something in common, (something important) right from the beginning.
exactly!!!
Sharukin wrote:
I play on another site where this is currently the hot topic of discussion. I have a couple of points to make:
1) There are people who use chess engines to varying degrees, they cheat. What can you do about it? Even if you have a team of people and systems in place to deal with this the detection process is also open to abuse and accusations (the cause of much trouble currently on the other site). I find that the more is overtly done about the problem the more paranoia about the problem increases.
2) It has been suggested that strong players not posting in the forums is a cause for suspicion. This has also been suggested on the other site. A year ago (approximately) there was a great deal of this nonsense. A couple of high rated players started posting on the forums and then got accused of cheating! Funnily enough they stopped posting after that.
You can make of that lot what you want. My opinion is that cheating does happen but it is not nearly as widespread as some would like us to believe. If it was there would be more players at the top end of the rating scale than at the bottom.
Right on with the last paragraph!! There's people cheating here and on every other site as well. Most people don't cheat and care more about improving their games. So, if you play 100 games and say 5 oponnents cheated then even if you lose to a guy using a super strong program in the long run the cheating won't even affect your rating much. On the other hand, the better the program they use the more you learn from your games because you only learn by playing against stronger oponnents.
Therefore, there's no reason to worrie about cheaters. That's the way I see it. I suspect someone is cheating I work even harder on the game and most of the time I won't play that player again.
Cheers,
Joel.
I've personally used chessmaster's opening reference tool to study my options for the first couple of moves, but I wouldn't do this in a live (online) game, and certainly wouldn't unleash the engine in any situation. Although online correspondence games can move pretty quickly, I think the ethical principles at hand are the same as with any correspondence game, where it is ok to study between moves.
That said, if anyone wants to challenge me, i'd be happy to either play a live game, or otherwise not do any outside reading at your request. I think it would also be interesting to play someone starting from an established, deep opening line.
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this topic's been covered. i think using a database or exampl games during a game w/ the INTENT to use the moves in the game is cheating as well
if someone never makes uneconomical moves in the endgame like a machine than it probably is one or possibly anyhow, at least at my lowly level.
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What? Think about it everyone; not that I'm suggesting people should cheat. With upto 3 days per move, one could easily use a dedicated chess computer so you don't have to plug anything in, or it could be a program on another pc not on the net.
In correspondence play, you can expect your opponent to be getting better at chess as you play your game. What would you expect if the person is playing 8 games and used the same opening for every one of them? Though, I think that plugging in the moves to a program to decide how to make your moves is definitely cheating, as you are not playing the game if you do this.
My students and I (I'm not really a chess teacher, just a general mentor in all academics) go back and evaluate the games that each of us has played on chess.com. It is a great way to see what the others think and see combinations that we may have missed during game play. Consider that this is happening between moves (yes, some of these games have a whole day-insert sarcasm here-per move) and some people are practicing using a specific opening on multiple games. This will bring you to the conclusion that if you want to expect face-to-face advantages and disadvantages, then you probably ought to play face-to-face so you can watch your opponent cheat or not.
there is no money on the line here. whats the point of cheating. Yes it probably happens but who cares? if you have a need to boost your rating and your ego that badly . . . feel free, cheat away, i'll become the better player . . . eventually.
acertler wrote: For some one to cheat on chess.com, all it requires is a chess program where the opponent can control the opposite color. To clarify, I am playing as white and my oponent is black. I would play all blacks moves on the chess program and have white (computer) play all the best moves. Basically, anyone can cheat and there is no stopping it. OTB is the only way to go.
thats genius:) did you find this idea yourself or did you read it from somewhere?? because there was an IQ question and the answer was directly related with your explanation:)
here it is
There are two ordinary chess players(Let them A and B) and a GM. They are playing chess GM vs. A and B vs. GM so GM is white in one game and black in another game. And these games are played at the same time.
First GM move in table 1
then player B move in table 2
then GM move in table 2
then A move in table 1
this is the sequence of their moves.
soon GM realized he will not able to won two of the games but how??
Joe01123 wrote: there is no money on the line here. whats the point of cheating. Yes it probably happens but who cares? if you have a need to boost your rating and your ego that badly . . . feel free, cheat away, i'll become the better player . . . eventually.
Hi guys. I'm a recent newby to this site. Thus far, I have enjoyed it immensely. Looking forward to some competitive games. Speaking to the issue of cheating, I tend to agree with Joel's point above. The single biggest reason I joined the site was to freshen my game and sharpen my tactics. That will only be accomplished by playing better competition. Those that hide their game behind a computer program limit their own development. See you guys on the board.
cheaters suck
I play fair. Win, lose, or draw it is decided by my own moves. I can walk away from a game knowing I have not cheated. Why do people cheat? I do not know. Cant think what they can gain from it except a false score. Like thousands of players on here I am proud of what my score is. I am no great player but I love a good challenge from others.
carroty wrote: acertler wrote: For some one to cheat on chess.com, all it requires is a chess program where the opponent can control the opposite color. To clarify, I am playing as white and my oponent is black. I would play all blacks moves on the chess program and have white (computer) play all the best moves. Basically, anyone can cheat and there is no stopping it. OTB is the only way to go.
thats genius:) did you find this idea yourself or did you read it from somewhere?? because there was an IQ question and the answer was directly related with your explanation:)
here it is
There are two ordinary chess players(Let them A and B) and a GM. They are playing chess GM vs. A and B vs. GM so GM is white in one game and black in another game. And these games are played at the same time.
First GM move in table 1
then player B move in table 2
then GM move in table 2
then A move in table 1
this is the sequence of their moves.
soon GM realized he will not able to won two of the games but how??
It's because the GM is technically playing himself. Person A and B are one and the same. Therefore, the result would be him winning 1 game and losing the other... or having a tie at both. Although, in retrospective... this would never happen because no GM is stupid enough to not recognize his own movesets. Person A and B would've been reported even before mid-game commenced.
On the other hand, a better and more commonly known tactic would be for person C to challenge TWO GMs (GM D and GM E)... That way, the GMs don't recognize the moves... Person C is white in one game and black in the other game. Person C uses his black game to start up his white game... and you end up with completely parallel responses on both games... It's the same as having both GMs play each other, except with a cunning individual in the center posing as the media.
carroty wrote: acertler wrote: For some one to cheat on chess.com, all it requires is a chess program where the opponent can control the opposite color. To clarify, I am playing as white and my oponent is black. I would play all blacks moves on the chess program and have white (computer) play all the best moves. Basically, anyone can cheat and there is no stopping it. OTB is the only way to go.
thats genius:) did you find this idea yourself or did you read it from somewhere?? because there was an IQ question and the answer was directly related with your explanation:)
here it is
There are two ordinary chess players(Let them A and B) and a GM. They are playing chess GM vs. A and B vs. GM so GM is white in one game and black in another game. And these games are played at the same time.
First GM move in table 1
then player B move in table 2
then GM move in table 2
then A move in table 1
this is the sequence of their moves.
soon GM realized he will not able to won two of the games but how??
That was my idea. I just started thinking about if you can control one side why not control your opponents side and make the computer do all the work. Yeah you could play a two player game and get the hint from the computer then make your opponents move. Then just repeat the process. But playing as your opponent allows you to see what move the computer would suggest anyways. It's quite brilliant. Yet, it is cheating and should not be done.
durangoclimber wrote:
cubfan2: EXACTLY !! I can't remember the name of the software, but it is "the big one" in the chess world. Josh Waitzkin(sp?) helped develop it. I heard you can use it in the way you described.
Chessmaste9000 is that program... i own it... got it from a book fair at school, lol
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this i just though i'd say that yes it is possible to cheat like that by just putting in your opponents moves and it will show the best move for you
This brings up a question...when I play on chess.com, I often consult opening books/sites while I am playing. It helps me set up (never more than 5 or 6 moves, perhaps because I don't have the right sources), but obviously can't help me when opponents start deviating from the regular opening play.
Is that cheating?
No. I consider that constructicve learning. Your trying to learn an opening and the best way to learn is by using it in a game. Most of the time if your playing lower rated players, most of their openings are going to be out of book so to speak anyways. There is going to be lots of deviations of openings then. What your doing is learning. What cheaters are doing are using programs to get the best moves.