What exactly is a "dirty flag"

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ZhengyuChen2022

Ok, thanks! 

ZhengyuChen2022
wizardKM wrote:

@Daarzyn7...good to know; wasn't aware of that rule. But in such a scenario, how would you prove that the "opponent is actually trying not to win"???

Positions like K&N vs. K&B where a draw is the most likely result but a win for one side or the other is possible but very unlikely even at a beginner level. 

TsetseRoar
maytheforkbewithy0u wrote:
I had a game the other day where I had a winning position and had twenty seconds to my opponents ten seconds. Opponent premoved king moves between two squares while I tried to advance and avoid draw on repetition. I lost while he had something like 8 seconds left. So childish. 

If you don't want that to happen, play with an increment. 

I am much more often the "flaggee" than the "flagger"...largely because I often play on my phone and there's no way I will win a time scramble with my chubby fingers. But I don't begrudge my opponent for playing that tactic: it's a fundamental part of the zero increment game.

Timeeeey

Sounds like an idea

thaler4L
maytheforkbewithy0u wrote:
I had a game the other day where I had a winning position and had twenty seconds to my opponents ten seconds. Opponent premoved king moves between two squares while I tried to advance and avoid draw on repetition. I lost while he had something like 8 seconds left. So childish. I don’t mind losing, especially if I feel I played a good game. But players like that just make me cringe.

I agree it's super annoying

TheHuntedWumpus
No such thing as dirty flag on tight time controls (bullet, blitz, even rapid if it comes down to it though much less common) It’s a part of the game that both players agreed to… It may be annoying when it’s clear right from the get go that the other person is strictly trying to beat you on time I doing very small pawn moves for like the first 15 or so moves but I I still accept it as the nature of the beast of bullet chess…
Sir-Lose-A-Lot

It is a rule. The clock is used for a reason. No one likes losing but rules are rules

Sir-Lose-A-Lot
thaler4L wrote:
maytheforkbewithy0u wrote:
I had a game the other day where I had a winning position and had twenty seconds to my opponents ten seconds. Opponent premoved king moves between two squares while I tried to advance and avoid draw on repetition. I lost while he had something like 8 seconds left. So childish. I don’t mind losing, especially if I feel I played a good game. But players like that just make me cringe.

I agree it's super annoying

You can also pre move and since you had double the time you eould have won the same way

DreamscapeHorizons

A dirty flag is something Nakamura does all the time to everybody but then complains and starts trouble over it when it's done to him. 

One example of many:  the Eric Hansen situation.  

KlekleLegacy
Sir-Lose-A-Lot a écrit :

It is a rule. The clock is used for a reason. No one likes losing but rules are rules

Yeah. I rarely win on time while in a losing position in a game anyway, and I sometimes feel dirty when it happens.

 

However, I do play rapid chess (10 min.) most of the time, and these situations are rare anyways. And when my opponent time-flags me, it often is because of poor time management on my part, so it is completely fair for them to do so in my opinion.

 

In real world chess, time management is a real and stressful thing. It has always been part of the game, online or not. It encourages players to manage their time or to analyse the position better. Stronger players analyse the board and manage their time better. It is what it is.

KlekleLegacy

I will say premoving is hard on some platforms and, most importantly, some people have better internet then others.

This reality makes some gamemodes (blitz chess, bullet chess) not exactly fair in my opinion. Sometimes, you feel like you just loose because the opponent's internet is faster and he/she flags you.

llama36

Like others said, it's when you're trying to win on time and your moves are pure nonsense.

I think it's fine in most cases. When it's something like pawnless K+R vs K+R and both players have 10 seconds I will allow a repetition. I think most players do. Trying to win that situation is a bit too try hard for my taste.

derekluxton

do it all the time lolololol I remember levy posting a video where his opponent had 0.7 secs on the clock and he sacrificed THE ROOOOOOOOOOOOOK