What is better to play as White or Black ?

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lavahound100
I have been always asking myself what is better to play. White of black ? White lets you go first and black lets you see what opening they are using.

Any one have answers?
notmtwain
lavahound100 wrote:
I have been always asking myself what is better to play. White of black ? White lets you go first and black lets you see what opening they are using.

Any one have answers?

Yes, White wins more games.

It doesn't really matter. You have to play both.  

 

lavahound100
I know but what I mean is what do people prefer to play. I know we have to play both but does one have an advantage over the other?
FunnyAnimatorJimTV

White:

Most common openings...

Queen's Gambit (d4, d5, c4)

Ruy Lopez (e4, e5, Nf3, Nc6, Bb5)

Italian Game (e4, e5, Nf3, Nc6, Bc4)

Black:

Most common responses to e4...

Sicilian Defense (e4, c5)

Berlin Defense (e4, e5, Nf3, Nc6, Bb5, Nf6)

Most common responses to d4...

King's Indian Defense (d4, Nf6, c4, g6)

East Indian Defense (d4, Nf6, c4, e6) The East Indian can lead to a number of different positions such as the Nimzo-Indian, the Queen's Indian and the Bogo Indian.

Queen's Gambit Declined (d4, d5, c4, e6)

 

It's absolutely matter of taste which openings you use but some have better results statistically than others. I prefer to go by the popularity of grandmaster-used openings and not by the win rate because in games, tables can turn instantly thanks to blunders or oversights and turn won positions (because of the opening) into losing instantly, so I prefer to go by the popularity because you can get a sense of what openings they play and why they play them.

LM_player
For some reason. I prefer to play the Black pieces.
I don't like to make the first move.
WeakChessPlayedSlow
White is obviously better. How this is even a question, I'm not sure.
FunnyAnimatorJimTV
WeakChessPlayedSlow wrote:
White is obviously better. How this is even a question, I'm not sure.

Please explain how the white pieces are automatically better to play with than the black pieces. True, white temporarily holds the initiative in the opening, but black can play defenses such as the Sicilian Defense, where black can get some great center defenses and rapid queenside counterplay and this opening alone has automatically made 1. d4 a better success 1st move for white.

Against d4, black can play solid openings such as the King's Indian Defense, the Stonewall Dutch which will be a tense fight, and the dreaded Nimzo-Indian Defense, which gives black an astonishing grip on the center, equalizing very quickly.  If white sidesteps the Nimzo with 3. Nf3, white has to deal with the Queen's Indian Defense with 3...b6, another difficult defense to oppose.

 

White does retain some slight initiative and attacking chances during these openings, but black is not immediately inferior from the start.

WeakChessPlayedSlow
Ah, yes, the 1300 is here to tell me how it is. Hey, I've got an idea! Look at an engine, you idiot. Depending on depth, you'll see +0.1 - +0.3.
Oh, or you could just use your brain and realize that white being a tempo ahead is an advantage. Don't waste my time with this garbage, please.
FunnyAnimatorJimTV
WeakChessPlayedSlow wrote:
Ah, yes, the 1300 is here to tell me how it is. Hey, I've got an idea! Look at an engine, you idiot. Depending on depth, you'll see +0.1 - +0.3.
Oh, or you could just use your brain and realize that white being a tempo ahead is an advantage. Don't waste my time with this garbage, please.

What is black supposed to do about white being a move ahead? The position will not always have white being the attacker and black the defender. The middlegame can turn the tables and both sides will be trying to attack. What information are the engines building off of, anyway? I don't want to "waste your time with this garbage". This is chess. Chess is a magical thing which deserves discussion in many categories. Good day sir

thegreat_patzer
lavahound100 wrote:
I have been always asking myself what is better to play. White of black ? White lets you go first and black lets you see what opening they are using.

Any one have answers?

BOTH sides pick the opening; and its a total misconception that it is black.

 

if white doesn't want to play a sicilian (for example); play 1e4

 

in the end; each player has an equal ability to develop his forces-- unless someone makes a big mistake.

RPaulB

WELL;  it appears to be a matter of how one sees things.   For 111 960 vote chess games, the team has only played BLACK.   Keeps the game even at the start.

FunnyAnimatorJimTV
Destroyer_Mark_1420 wrote:
Grey

Nice answer.

WeakChessPlayedSlow
Oh, yes, this is debunked because black isn't always defending. Look, you don't know what you're talking about. A tempo to the good is an advantage. If it weren't, up would be down, as far as analysis goes. And the engine bases it on 30-45 ply depth calculation. You don't even know what you're talking about, dude. Get off the forums and actually do some work so you won't be such a terrible player.
FunnyAnimatorJimTV
WeakChessPlayedSlow wrote:
Oh, yes, this is debunked because black isn't always defending. Look, you don't know what you're talking about. A tempo to the good is an advantage. If it weren't, up would be down, as far as analysis goes. And the engine bases it on 30-45 ply depth calculation. You don't even know what you're talking about, dude. Get off the forums and actually do some work so you won't be such a terrible player.

If playing the white pieces was automatically better than playing the black pieces, why would people play and study chess if it was unfair? You're quite rude for a chess player, just saying. Have a nice evening

WeakChessPlayedSlow
It is. Since it's not even nearly a forced win, people still play. You know there are evaluations between -1 and +1, right? It is an undeniable fact that white starts the game with an advantage. Yes, it's only a slight advantage, but it is still an advantage. Anybody with half a brain could figure this out.
macer75
FunnyAnimatorJimTV wrote:
WeakChessPlayedSlow wrote:
Oh, yes, this is debunked because black isn't always defending. Look, you don't know what you're talking about. A tempo to the good is an advantage. If it weren't, up would be down, as far as analysis goes. And the engine bases it on 30-45 ply depth calculation. You don't even know what you're talking about, dude. Get off the forums and actually do some work so you won't be such a terrible player.

If playing the white pieces was automatically better than playing the black pieces, why would people play and study chess if it was unfair? You're quite rude for a chess player, just saying. Have a nice evening

Implying that chess players usually aren't rude?

FunnyAnimatorJimTV
WeakChessPlayedSlow wrote:
It is. Since it's not even nearly a forced win, people still play. You know there are evaluations between -1 and +1, right? It is an undeniable fact that white starts the game with an advantage. Yes, it's only a slight advantage, but it is still an advantage. Anybody with half a brain could figure this out.

I understand what you're saying, it just seemed like you were saying that white had a winning advantage from the start of the game and that black had to play very accurately to defuse white's advantage of having the initiative.

WeakChessPlayedSlow
What are you, illiterate? I never said white was winning. Read the original post title, idiot.
isabela14

I thought fight night are on fridays? Take the board outside boys. 

nsnively20

I find it interesting that now the 1300 is almost as high rated as the rude one