What is the definition of a blunder?

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Bartleby73

Is a blunder only a bad move that leads to direct punishment in the next move or also if the punishment will come after 2-4 moves?

AndyClifton

Although many now use it as a synonym for mistake, I always used it to mean any ?? move.  Apparently though that doesn't seem to be the general practice anymore.

Boheme

I think I read somewhere that the UCI protocol suggests that engines should flag a move as a blunder if the evaluation were to drop by 1 pawn or more.

CalamityChristie

blunders are not necessarily accompanied by punishment

Vivinski
Boheme wrote:

I think I read somewhere that the UCI protocol suggests that engines should flag a move as a blunder if the evaluation were to drop by 1 pawn or more.

That seems like a good definition

Bartleby73
Boheme wrote:

I think I read somewhere that the UCI protocol suggests that engines should flag a move as a blunder if the evaluation were to drop by 1 pawn or more.

 

Ok good but after how many moves? is a blunder also a move which leads to some sort of punishment which may not have been directly perceivable?

no, not all blunders lead to punishment. I see plenty of that. But they should.

Vivinski

any number of moves as longs they are forced probably

Boheme
Bartleby73 wrote:
Boheme wrote:

I think I read somewhere that the UCI protocol suggests that engines should flag a move as a blunder if the evaluation were to drop by 1 pawn or more.

 

Ok good but after how many moves? is a blunder also a move which leads to some sort of punishment which may not have been directly perceivable?

no, not all blunders lead to punishment. I see plenty of that. But they should.

There's no limit to how far into the "future" you have to look before a blunder becomes a blunder. An engine would find a blunder knowing the previous position's evaluation, and compare it to the current position's evaluation, and if the difference is past a certain threshold (a little over a pawn), then the last move made was a blunder.

(By "evaluation of a position", I mean the result of the static evaluation of the PV.)

AndyClifton

To me a blunder has always meant hanging a piece (at least).

CalamityChristie

stalemating when 9 Queens up could be a blunder, but i don't think there's a person in this world could explain that to "monster_with_no_underpants"

AndyClifton

I've only heard rumors of that guy (never seen his work in person though).

heinzie

A blunder is a move that makes you want to bang your face on the table or a nearby wall and actually manages to convince you that that is the exact right course of action

CalamityChristie

worse than ciljettu Andy, unless there is a disability

heinzie

where I wrote face I intended the word forehead but I guess in practice it does not make much of a difference

Bartleby73

I guess what is a blunder also depends on the strength of the player.

 

The problem I have with the engine definition is that the engine can look deeper into "the future" than most players can. Such a move which is called a blunder by the machine is obviously a bad move, but wouldn't a blunder be something which is definitely more obvious?

AndyClifton
DonJuan_DeMarco wrote:

worse than ciljettu Andy, unless there is a disability

Bear in mind though I kinda liked cj... Smile

AndyClifton
Bartleby73 wrote:

wouldn't a blunder be something which is definitely more obvious?

That's what I've always said/thought...but who knows in the world of semantics?

mattyf9

I think this is a good question. I always regarded a blunder as a move that drops a piece or loses the game. However the computer here on chess.com regards a move that misses a tactic as a blunder. Not necessarily just a move that loses material.

ivandh

I think heinzie's definition is most appropriate.

Berder

It's simple:  a blunder is a bad move that substantially worsens your position.  If you lose a pawn for no compensation that qualifies as a blunder.  It doesn't matter whether your opponent takes advantage of the blunder.  It doesn't matter if your opponent takes 15 moves before he finally punishes you for the blunder - it's still a blunder.