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zborg

Keto, Paleo, and all the Atkins/Leo variations have been repeatedly "born again" over the past 40 years.  None of them are healthy.  All are fad diets.  Buyer Beware.

Yes, all diets make you lose weight, (at least temporarily).  But keeping it off remains the tricky part.

Colin Campbell, a former Cornell biochemist, with many peer-reviewed publications, was a member of the NIH oversight panel when the Food Pyramid was first proposed to the US Congress, against the background of the McGovern Report.  Enjoy --

https://nutritionstudies.org/

https://nutritionstudies.org/topics/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3910043/

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zborg wrote:

Keto, Paleo, and all the Atkins/Leo variations have been repeatedly "born again" over the past 40 years.  None of them are healthy.  All are fad diets.  Buyer Beware.

Yes, all diets make you lose weight, (at least temporarily).  But keeping it off remains the tricky part.

Colin Campbell, a former Cornell biochemist, with many peer-reviewed publications, was a member of the NIH oversight panel when the Food Pyramid was first proposed to the US Congress.  Enjoy --

https://nutritionstudies.org/

https://nutritionstudies.org/topics/

You direct us to one "guy".  How about looking at the peer reviewed research as a whole?  

zborg

A diet designed for seizures is NOT a diet for public health.   Sorry to inform.

Like you, I take a (small) handful of daily supplements.  IMBacon and "Flying Pigs" have a lot in common.  But Keto et. al. is simply nuts.

What planet do you hail from??  Best Wishes, in any case.  grin.png

Enjoy --

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/opening-theory-and-vegetarianism-are-both-overated

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zborg wrote:

A diet designed for seizures is NOT a diet for public health.   Sorry to inform.

Like you, I take a (small) handful of daily supplements.  But Keto et. al. is simply nuts.

What planet do you hail from??  Best Wishes, in any case.  

Enjoy --

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/opening-theory-and-vegetarianism-are-both-overated

I take this to mean your mind is made up and you are not interested in the scientific facts about it?  

zborg

Nope.  I read "all sides," and then make up my mind.  One liners, notwithstanding.  As per your post immediately above.

zborg

Limit your intake of "all meat, seafood and dairy" to between 1-2 pounds or less per week.  Eat all the vegetables, fruits, beans and whole grains that your heart desires.

Between Colin Campbell, and the celebrity doctor, Joel Fuhrman, (always on PBS) that's all you really need to know.  End of Story.   IF Keto works for you.  Run with it.  More power to you.  Knock yourself out.  Live to 100.  grin.png

P.S., we hold a similar resentment for American Healthcare and its delivery.  Just saying.  

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zborg wrote:

Nope.  I read "all sides," and then make up my mind.  One liners, notwithstanding.  As per your post immediately above.

My one liner was not supposed to be compelling.  There is plenty of research on the subject, I was just curious if that research has any meaning to you.  I can't tell if you've read all sides as you say, but anytime anyone takes a very complex topic and authoritatively states a very simple and one sided conclusion about it, I'd just have to guess you are under or misinformed.

Your link is more evidence that your reading is biased, coming from a link with an agenda rather than scientific papers.

zborg

Campbell has many peer reviewed scientific papers.  Fuhrman appears regularly on PBS.  QED.

Your're spoiling for an internet food fight, and we are already talking past each other, as per posts above.

Best Wishes to you, and have a nice day.  happy.png

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I'm right.  Your wrong.  No we can't discuss it. That's all you really need to know.  End of Story. 

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ghost_of_pushwood wrote:

I had a college roommate named Colin Campbell (it is a surprisingly common name).

I'm suspicious of anyone who writes about eating all those high fiber type foods, and is named Colin?  Sounds fishy to me.  

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zborg wrote:

Limit your intake of "all meat, seafood and dairy" to between 1-2 pounds or less per week.  Eat all the vegetables, fruits, beans and whole grains that your heart desires.

Between Colin Campbell, and the celebrity doctor, Joel Fuhrman, (always on PBS) that's all you really need to know.  End of Story. 

IF Keto works for you.  Run with it.  More power to you.  Knock yourself out.  Live to 100. 

P.S., we hold a similar resentment for American Healthcare and its delivery.  Just saying.  

We should set up some kind of exchange program; You can have most of my carbs, and I'll take most of your meat, seafood, and dairy.

zborg
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Hey, you forgot "Super Colon Blow."  Both are available for sale at GNC.

I recently purchased regular Colon Blow (i.e. granulated psyllium husks).

Works great, whenever you have a BIG Meaty Meal.  grin.png

https://www.mypcoskitchen.com/keto-psyllium-buns-2/

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zborg wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

 

Hey, you forgot "Super Colon Blow."  Both are available for sale at GNC.

I recently purchased regular Colon Blow.  Works great, whenever you have a BIG Meaty Meal. 

The Atkins diet originally allowed too much protein; The more recent keto diet (which is actually the original ancestral diet) is a moderate protein diet. I have absolutely no problem with constipation as long as I maintain proper mineral balances (magnesium, sodium, and potassium). I do eat a fair amount of dark, leafy greens, but I don't track my fiber intake.

zborg
IMBacon wrote:
zborg wrote:

A diet designed for seizures is NOT a diet for public health.   Sorry to inform.

Like you, I take a (small) handful of daily supplements.  But Keto et. al. is simply nuts.

What planet do you hail from??  Best Wishes, in any case. 

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Earth...

and i enjoy keeping the skin on my chicken.  Using butter.  Buying cheap high fat cuts of meat.  Making my coffee with heavy whipping cream, and coconut oil.  Pouring ranch dressing on my salads. 

What i dont eat: sugar, sweets, carbs.

In 2.5 years what has happened: Lost 95 lbs.  Lowered my blood pressure.  Lowered my cholesterol.  Said good bye to arthritis, GERD, anxiety.  I sleep better.  I feel better. 

If Keto works for you.  That's great.  Keep it up.

Before your Keto diet, was your nickname Shamu?  Just saying.  grin.png

zborg
EscherehcsE wrote:
zborg wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

 

Hey, you forgot "Super Colon Blow."  Both are available for sale at GNC.

I recently purchased regular Colon Blow.  Works great, whenever you have a BIG Meaty Meal. 

The Atkins diet originally allowed too much protein; The more recent keto diet (which is actually the original ancestral diet) is a moderate protein diet. I have absolutely no problem with constipation as long as I maintain proper mineral balances (magnesium, sodium, and potassium). I do eat a fair amount of dark, leafy greens, but I don't track my fiber intake.

I agree wholeheartedly.

In your case, leafy greens apparently "does the job."  That works for you.  Great.

In the Campbell / Furhman diet -- you''re "allowed" between [4 and 8] quarter pound hamburgers per week.  Just chase it with plenty of fruits, vegetables, beans, and whole grains.  There is a total calorie constraint for all people.  Men can eat up to 2 pounds of "meat,"  and women can eat up to 1 pound of ANY animal protein.  Very simple.  The only binding constraints are total animal protein and total calories. 

It's an "ALL YOU CAN EAT, almost Vegan diet."  Very easy to follow.

Especially for someone like me -- who essentially cooks for 5, and eats for 3.  grin.png

But if your 95 pounds overweight.  Feel free to try the Shamu diet instead.

It's a free country, at least until next November 2020.  Ha!

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EscherehcsE wrote:
zborg wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

 

Hey, you forgot "Super Colon Blow."  Both are available for sale at GNC.

I recently purchased regular Colon Blow.  Works great, whenever you have a BIG Meaty Meal. 

The Atkins diet originally allowed too much protein; The more recent keto diet (which is actually the original ancestral diet) is a moderate protein diet. I have absolutely no problem with constipation as long as I maintain proper mineral balances (magnesium, sodium, and potassium). I do eat a fair amount of dark, leafy greens, but I don't track my fiber intake.

Psyllium isn't just for constipation, its a great dietary supplement that keeps things moving quickly through your system.  Besides being very good for your Colin, I mean colon, it is also soluble fiber that binds with bile acids and lowers cholesterol.  

zborg

Looks to me like we all agree.

Everyone loves "meat."  Pairing the "right amount' of meat, with the right amount of psyllium, a fist full of supplements, and copious amounts for vegetables does the trick.

For some of us, fruits, beans, nuts, seeds, and whole grains get added to the mix.  In the end, we are all in Dietary Heaven!

Thanks to All for Contributing.  And this Story Never Ends.   Because the food industry (and their teams of Ph.D. chemists and food designers) have made processed food so thoroughly irresistible that people in rich societies can easily grow to the size of whales.  And that's not so good for our long term health and longevity.  Free County.  grin.png  

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zborg wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:
zborg wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

 

Hey, you forgot "Super Colon Blow."  Both are available for sale at GNC.

I recently purchased regular Colon Blow.  Works great, whenever you have a BIG Meaty Meal. 

The Atkins diet originally allowed too much protein; The more recent keto diet (which is actually the original ancestral diet) is a moderate protein diet. I have absolutely no problem with constipation as long as I maintain proper mineral balances (magnesium, sodium, and potassium). I do eat a fair amount of dark, leafy greens, but I don't track my fiber intake.

I agree wholeheartedly.  You''re "allowed" up to four quarter pound hamburgers per week.  Just chase it with plenty of fruits, vegetables, beans, and whole grains.  In your case, leafy greens apparently "does the job."

It's an "ALL YOU CAN EAT, almost Vegan diet."  Very Easy to follow.  Especially for someone like me, who essentially cooks for 5, and eats for 3. 

Your four quarter pound hamburgers per week allowance seems a bit light compared to what I eat. However, I'm not always eating beef. We basically try to get a certain amount of protein per day, and each person may have a slightly different protein requirement. Sometimes the protein is from eggs or cheese, sometimes it's from beef, turkey, pork, or fish.

I believe that the traditional fiber requirement may be a bit of a red herring. My leafy green intake is mostly for the nutrients (magnesium, etc.) and not for the fiber, although I don't think it hurts to get some fiber in the diet.

The "whole grain issue" - Most of what is labeled as "whole grain" in the stores is not really whole grain. It's another case of the food manufacturers lying to us.

It's my opinion that for anyone with any significant amount of insulin resistance, which is most of the world's population, you're better off staying away from most carbs, which includes sugar, refined carbs, starchy carbs, and even the gigantic fruits that are available in stores year-round (too much fructose in those, which doesn't really spike insulin, but hammers the liver). The only saving grace about whole fruit is that the fiber tends to slow down the insulin spike.

If you're not insulin resistant, I guess you can eat pretty much whatever you want. But those people are in the minority. Also, many people are actually insulin resistant and don't even know it, because their doctors never check their insulin levels and only check their glucose levels.

zborg

Thanks for the conversation.  Time to join the real world again.  Talk to you guys later.

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zborg wrote:

Thanks for the conversation.  Time to join the real world again.  Talk to you guys later.

Okey-dokey.