What would you pay to play a GM in an OTB Tournament?

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centercounter
TadDude wrote:
Kingpatzer wrote:

Interesting. Doesn't this raise an ethical question if the GM gets a cut? A specific player is directly paying the GM to give that specific player a chance at a norm. That's a short step from paying the GM to give that player a norm by not playing well.

Clearly the titled players in such an arrangement have a conflict of interest. Their compensation is directly proportional to the popularity of this system. The popularity of the system will be directly proportional to how successful it is in producing norms. 


Judging from previous responses, norms may be a major, perhaps the only, incentive to pay. There is no mention of whether FIDE has agreed to ratify any norms earned with these manipulated pairings.


I think if norms are an issue, the player probably will pay more for travel and high entry fees.  Norms or no, I think it is a crime for a player to offer a director a "tip" to change the pairings, and the director should not take any special initiative to "fix" the pairings.

Jebcc
centercounter wrote:
TadDude wrote:
Kingpatzer wrote:

Interesting. Doesn't this raise an ethical question if the GM gets a cut? A specific player is directly paying the GM to give that specific player a chance at a norm. That's a short step from paying the GM to give that player a norm by not playing well.

Clearly the titled players in such an arrangement have a conflict of interest. Their compensation is directly proportional to the popularity of this system. The popularity of the system will be directly proportional to how successful it is in producing norms. 


Judging from previous responses, norms may be a major, perhaps the only, incentive to pay. There is no mention of whether FIDE has agreed to ratify any norms earned with these manipulated pairings.


I think if norms are an issue, the player probably will pay more for travel and high entry fees.  Norms or no, I think it is a crime for a player to offer a director a "tip" to change the pairings, and the director should not take any special initiative to "fix" the pairings.


"a crime"??!?!!?!?  

centercounter

No less than a crime.  A tournament director, or arbiter, is in a position of trust, and as such, must be sensitive to any appearance of impropriety or bias.  I can imagine, for example, two or three people needing a GM game in the last round for a norm opportunity, and alas!  A bidding war erupts in the tournament director's room!

Are there exceptions?  I remember in the U.S. Open you could (I don't know if that's still possible) elect to play within your class in the last round and forfeit any chance at "place" money and instead play for "class" prizes.  If certain conditions were announced in advance (and posted), that would set expectations better than an unexpected (by everyone except those involved) pairing swap.

TadDude
centercounter wrote:

No less than a crime.  A tournament director, or arbiter, is in a position of trust, and as such, must be sensitive to any appearance of impropriety or bias.  I can imagine, for example, two or three people needing a GM game in the last round for a norm opportunity, and alas!  A bidding war erupts in the tournament director's room!

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Just had a look at the rules again.

http://monroi.com/2012-cocc-play-a-gm.html

"This game is not eligible towards a FIDE title norm."