What's better 1 pawn,1 bishop and a rook or a queen?

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Erik2

What's better:1 pawn,1 Bishop and a rook or a queen?

Zurux

It depends on position

wubowen100

Ithink if bishop+rook+pawn coordinate well, it is better than queen.

also see this article: Queenless but not hopeless

http://www.chess.com/article/view/queenless-but-not-hopeless

ticktoc

Obviously, the pawn has the potential to become a queen, so in the late middle and endgame the rook/bishop/pawn combo is USUALLY best.............

chAmPheSs

Depends on the position, but usualy the queen. The queen can easily fork the king and another pawn or piece.

bachachew10
Erik2 wrote:

What's better:1 pawn,1 Bishop and a rook or a queen?


 i'd have to say the first one cuz u have a chance to regain another peice with the pawn and threaten the king at the same time.  the queen can only do one thing at a time.

KillaBeez

It depends on the position.  If the side with a queen has a knight on the board, they can pull off some stunning attacks and compliment each other well.

bachachew10
chAmPheSs wrote:

Depends on the position, but usualy the queen. The queen can easily fork the king and another pawn or piece.


 

yes, but the queen, like i said before, is only one peice.  the pawn has a potential to become a queen, and you can threaten the king at the same time, causing the Queen to have to protect the king in order to stay in the match.  meanwhile, you have either your rook or bishop protecting the pawn and the other attacking the opposing king.

MapleDanish

if that's the ONLY pieces on the board, the Rook, Bishop, and Pawn should be able to win from most positions I would assume.

bondiggity

From Larry Kaufman:

 

"Many books say that rook, minor piece, and pawn are equal to or even better than a queen, but Garry Kasparov wrote that the side without the queen must also have the bishop pair to claim equality, which agrees quite well with my statistics. When not opposed by the bishop pair, the queen is worth rook, minor piece, and 1½ pawns. The knight seems to be marginally better than the single bishop in assisting the rook against the queen."

 

of course this is just a general statement and doesn't apply to all positions. 

Nelso_125

Of course it depends on the position, however a straight answer is the pawn/bishop/rook combo because they are 3 pieces compared to only 1 piece in the queen.

alahoy

Yes! the three pieces are always better than one. The problem here is how to promote the pawn without detaching it from the other pieces because the queen is always there waiting for a kill.

Elroch

Empirical evidence (endgames with exactly this material) suggests that most configurations are drawn if there isn't an immediate win for one side or the other. At a quick look, games that are won by RBP often have a rook pawn, but some of these games have surprising errors by master players.