Whats the difference of a decoy, attraction, and deflection?

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Whats the difference of a decoy, attraction, and deflection?

manekapa

A decoy is a tactic in which you scarifice a piece to force or cause an opponent to move one of their pieces to a certain square. The sacrificed piece is also known as a decoy. The opponent's piece is said to be deflected to the target square.

According to Wikipedia, the term attraction is used when the opponent's king is the piece which is deflected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy_(chess)

blueemu
manekapa wrote:

A decoy is a tactic in which you scarifice a piece to force or cause an opponent to move one of their pieces to a certain square. The sacrificed piece is also known as a decoy. The opponent's piece is said to be deflected to the target square.

Not quite.

With Decoying, the focus is on luring the enemy piece TO a specific square (where it gets ambushed).

With Deflection, the focus is on luring the enemy piece AWAY FROM a specific square, so that square (now stripped of protection) can be attacked.

The two motifs are often combined, like this:

manekapa

Thanks for the correction @blueemu.

marqumax
Great question
NiravApurv
blueemu wrote:
manekapa wrote:

A decoy is a tactic in which you scarifice a piece to force or cause an opponent to move one of their pieces to a certain square. The sacrificed piece is also known as a decoy. The opponent's piece is said to be deflected to the target square.

"Not quite.

With Decoying, the focus is on luring the enemy piece TO a specific square (where it gets ambushed).

With Deflection, the focus is on luring the enemy piece AWAY FROM a specific square, so that square (now stripped of protection) can be attacked.

The two motifs are often combined, like this:"

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Hi, It seems there are a lot confution on some tactical subjetct that are very similar.

Once i saw somebondy explaning xray even with examples.. but what he show was actualy skewers. witch are very similar, but not the same.

And i just wonder if you mix up attraction with decoy...

There are 3 tactical subjects that are realy similar and very easy to mix up:

Attraction, deflection and decoy.

Attration, i think is when you attract usualy with a sacrifice, a pieace TO a wounerable square, and:

Deflection, is when you deflect a piece AWAY from a square.. usualy as a remove the defender tactics.. but it can also just be a square that ends with a los of material or a mating secuance...

Decoy: But then i strugle a bit to understand what is difference on deflection and decoy.. in the language, they are kind of sunonyms right??

i just saw somebody using pawn endgame, discribing a pawn beeing used as a DECOY, where the king is not lured away to a spesific square, but has to run after the pawn beeing used as a decoy.. then the player with the deoyed pawn can after move the king and take other pawns as their king is closer to the pawns that is left.. and the player with the king that had to run after the decoy pawn.. is to far away and they are in a loosing endgame...

decoy and deflection realy seem similar to me.. but what you just described here as decoy, i think acctualy is called attraction. Or what?

Perhaps DECOY is a word we using to describe a piece or a pawn, that is used to DEFLECT a piece away from something, Or these are 2 different tactics?

CaroKannE4C6

Decoy means when you lure an enemy piece from the square where it had defensive role.
Defelection is same as decoy while attraction represent when enemy piece is decoyed that is attraction.

NiravApurv

Its a bit funny, if you look at chess.com where you can choose to do tactics without time and select tactical topics. You will find they dont have attraction. they have deflection/decoy put togheter in same subject, that is initnuating that they are same or so similar they dont separate them in 2 subjects.

If you go to lichess, under learn/exercises.... its very clear, they have 2 separate subjects with 10 exaples each, one is Atraction, the other is Deflection, i did not see the word decoy there. So i looked carefully at these 20 examples

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ATTRACTION: they have 10 examples on attraction where they are showing examples where most often trhough sacrifice, a piece or king is lured TO a square.

In 7 of the examples it is the king that is lured to a square where a mating sequance apares.. in on of the examples the king is lured to a square where it block a defensive resourse to stop a pawn from promiting to queen. In one ocation a queen takes a pawn.. if king takes it its a mate.. so king go back and they have inferior possiton that will lead to loose of more material. in the last example a rook is sacrificed on a bishop leading to a skewer where a bishop will win a rook.. and king is to far to pick up the bishop.. so one side doing the atraction ends up with a bishop in a endgame where both have 2 pawns... so the attraction tactics wins material by attracting the king into a skewer.

So the keyword here is Lured or Attracted TO a unfortunate/weak square, file, rank or diagonal.

DEFLECTION: In the 10 deflection tactics on lichess: At least half of the examples a piece is lured AWAY from defending a piecs that will be lost. In Some of the examples a pices is lured AWAY (not always taken) where material is lost to awoid mate.

In 2 of the examples a rook is lured AWAY (through sacrifice) from a rank or file where it stops a pawn from promoting. and if they dont take the sacricife the defending rook will be lost.

So with deflection the keyword is lured AWAY from a square, file, rank or diagonal.

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I will eventualy try out more exaples of the deflection/decoy subjects on the chess.com page.. but the first one used pawn to force a king AWAY from the defence of a rook that then will be lost.

Still since chess.com puts deflection and decoy togheter.. and lichess dont have any chapter or use the word decoy. So still its not clear for me if there is any difference of deflection and decoy.. and what that would be.. but i guess, as i said in prevous chapter that the word decoy often is used about the pawn or piece beeing used as a decoy... and the word deflection is the general term used about the tactic itself of using a piece as a decoy to lure a king or pice AWAY from a sertain square, file, rank, diagonal or away from defending something.

Its a bit funny, if you look at chess.com where you can choose to do tactics without time and select tactical topics. You will find they dont have attraction. they have deflection/decoy put togheter in same subject, that is initnuating that they are same or so similar they dont separate them in 2 subjects.

If you go to lichess, under learn/exercises.... its very clear, they have 2 separate subjects with 10 exaples each, one is Atraction, the other is Deflection, i did not see the word decoy there. So i looked carefully at these 20 examples

:

ATTRACTION: they have 10 examples on attraction where they are showing examples where most often trhough sacrifice, a piece or king is lured TO a square.

In 7 of the examples it is the king that is lured to a square where a mating sequance apares.. in on of the examples the king is lured to a square where it block a defensive resourse to stop a pawn from promiting to queen. In one ocation a queen takes a pawn.. if king takes it its a mate.. so king go back and they have inferior possiton that will lead to loose of more material. in the last example a rook is sacrificed on a bishop leading to a skewer where a bishop will win a rook.. and king is to far to pick up the bishop.. so one side doing the atraction ends up with a bishop in a endgame where both have 2 pawns... so the attraction tactics wins material by attracting the king into a skewer.

So the keyword here is Lured or Attracted TO a unfortunate/weak square, file, rank or diagonal.

DEFLECTION: In the 10 deflection tactics on lichess: At least half of the examples a piece is lured AWAY from defending a piecs that will be lost. In Some of the examples a pices is lured AWAY (not always taken) where material is lost to awoid mate.

In 2 of the examples a rook is lured AWAY (through sacrifice) from a rank or file where it stops a pawn from promoting. and if they dont take the sacricife the defending rook will be lost.

So with deflection the keyword is lured AWAY from a square, file, rank or diagonal.

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I will eventualy try out more exaples of the deflection/decoy subjects on the chess.com page.. but the first one used pawn to force a king AWAY from the defence of a rook that then will be lost.

Still since chess.com puts deflection and decoy togheter.. and lichess dont have any chapter or use the word decoy. So still its not clear for me if there is any difference of deflection and decoy.. and what that would be.. but i guess, as i said in prevous chapter that the word decoy often is used about the pawn or piece beeing used as a decoy... and the word deflection is the general term used about the tactic itself of using a piece as a decoy to lure a king or pice AWAY from a sertain square, file, rank, diagonal or away from defending something.

It is also possible that a decoy is a word used for describing a piece or pawn that is used in BOTH tactics:

Meaning a DECOY is a pawn or piece used to either lure a piece TO(attraction) or AWAY(deflection) from a square, file, rank og diagonal.

NiravApurv
Optimissed wrote:
manekapa wrote:

A decoy is a tactic in which you scarifice a piece to force or cause an opponent to move one of their pieces to a certain square. The sacrificed piece is also known as a decoy. The opponent's piece is said to be deflected to the target square.

According to Wikipedia, the term attraction is used when the opponent's king is the piece which is deflected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoy_(chess)

"Yes I knew attraction couldn't be valid. Somebody trying to be too clever."

This i dont think is correct or precise. In attraction, attracting a piece TO a square, its very often the king.. because the king is ofte weak or mated if i go to a specific square.. but as i stated up in another post.. if you go to lichess webpage, you find attraction and deflection in 2 separate chapters under Learn/exercises.. where few of the exampels with attraction is not with the king beeing the attracted piece.. So it can be something else than a king also.

Its all in the words.. attraction.. you get something or attention TO/Towards you...

Deflection. Something is beeing deflected (AWAY) to somewhere else..

Decoy, is SOMETHING (in chess a piece/pawn(/man)) beeing used to destract and take attention from something else.